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| Sassy Baskets, EA wrote: - quote - > Harlan Lunsford wrote:
Also consider that the vast majority of clients inquiring> > Technically, and per the publications, you are right. > > HOWsomeEVER~. Have you ever had a client (you say you are > > an EA) who used a part of a dining room "regularly and exclusively" > > for business purpose? > > > Any client I have who maintains he uses a "corner of a room" for > > business is usually lying. > I'd bet that a client who maintains he uses ANY part of his > house regularly and exclusively for business is usually > lying--but I'm not going to tell him that what he describes, > if accurate, would not qualify as deductible home office > expense. about "home office" are employees whom I usually discourage by quickly calculating the tax effect of the possible deduction in light of the 2% floor, plus the fact that depreciation would be subject to recap, plus I factor in (my) additional fees just for keeping up with the calculations, and am usually able to convince them to "fugedaboudit".. (Did I pronounce that right?) ChEAr$, Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| - quote - > > Any client I have who maintains he uses a "corner of a room" for
Certainly I was not saying that it is not possible to have> > business is usually lying. > How about the space taken up by his desk (plus maybe another > foot or so to allow the drawers to open, him to sit in his > chair, etc.)? I can believe the desk is used exclusively > for business. such an arrangement (hmmm. sort of like two households in one house!) but I speak from experience. ChEAr$, Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Harlan Lunsford wrote: - quote - > Technically, and per the publications, you are right.
I'd bet that a client who maintains he uses ANY part of his> HOWsomeEVER~. Have you ever had a client (you say you are > an EA) who used a part of a dining room "regularly and exclusively" > for business purpose? > Any client I have who maintains he uses a "corner of a room" for > business is usually lying. house regularly and exclusively for business is usually lying--but I'm not going to tell him that what he describes, if accurate, would not qualify as deductible home office expense. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| - quote - > Any client I have who maintains he uses a "corner of a room" for
How about the space taken up by his desk (plus maybe another> business is usually lying. foot or so to allow the drawers to open, him to sit in his chair, etc.)? I can believe the desk is used exclusively for business. Seth << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Sassy Baskets, EA wrote: - quote - > Harlan Lunsford wrote:
an EA) who used a part of a dining room "regularly and exclusively"> > The publication is very specific. You must use one room in > > your residence exclusively for business purposes, and just > > using the dining room doesn't qualify. Sorry. > If I recall, it does not have to be a room, separated from > the rest of the house with walls and a door, as long as it > is a designated space that is used regularly and exclusively > for business. So part of the dining room counts as long as > that part is not used for personal purposes. The square > footage of that part would be used in calculating the > percentage. > Technically, and per the publications, you are right. HOWsomeEVER~. Have you ever had a client (you say you are for business purpose? - quote - > Any client I have who maintains he uses a "corner of a room" for business is usually lying. ChEAr$, Harlan Lunsford, EA in LA << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Harlan Lunsford wrote: - quote - > The publication is very specific. You must use one room in
If I recall, it does not have to be a room, separated from> your residence exclusively for business purposes, and just > using the dining room doesn't qualify. Sorry. the rest of the house with walls and a door, as long as it is a designated space that is used regularly and exclusively for business. So part of the dining room counts as long as that part is not used for personal purposes. The square footage of that part would be used in calculating the percentage. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Anthony Giorgianni" <pleasepostbacktothetgroup[at]postbacktogroup.invalid - quote - > I'm hoping someone has the answer to this because the tax
A) seems the room method would be deceptive> publications seem to be silent on it. > Being self-employed, I'm trying to calculate the percentage > that my exclusive home office takes up of the small condo I > rent. But I'm not sure how to calculate it. > Details: My condo is basically three living spaces - > 1st floor - a tiny kitchen and combination wide-open > dining room/living room (plus tiny bathroom) > 2nd floor - a single large bedroom. (plus large bathroom) > There also is an unfinished basement > M`y office takes up the dining room, which is about one THIRD the size of > the > dining room/living room combo, or perhaps slightly less than 20 percent > the > square footage of the living spaces (not including unfinished basement, 2 > bathrooms, stairways, entryway and closets.) > So........ > A) If I use the room method, can I say my office is one > third (33 percent) of my home (one of three rooms), even > though the dining room square footage is about 20 percent of > both floors? > B) If I use the square footage method, what do I include the > unfinished basement, bathrooms, stairways, entryway and > closets? > I sure wish the publication gave guidance on how to do this. > (Is there anything that I'm missing on the IRS site that > explains this in detail?) Anyone know for sure? I want to be > honest and pay my fair share, but I don't want to rip myself > off either. B) use the square footage of the space you used exclusively for business; this means100% for business - not even preparation of a personal income tax return in your home office according to the irs in a real old case - or if children played or ran through the area - the home office was denied in cases for those reasons also, if memory serves me correctly since your answer may wind up being based on how courts decided yours or a similar issue, consider the services of a professional in resolving the issues << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Anthony Giorgianni" wrote: - quote - > Forget it. Too late now. Four days to get this on the Usenet?
Perhaps you should have though about resolving your tax> Give it up. questions before the last minute. And, as the answer was posted on April 12, there was still time before the filing deadline to use the answer. -- Vic Roberts Replace xxx with vdr in e-mail address. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Anthony Giorgianni wrote: - quote - > I'm hoping someone has the answer to this because the tax
The publication is very specific. You must use one room in> publications seem to be silent on it. > Being self-employed, I'm trying to calculate the percentage > that my exclusive home office takes up of the small condo I > rent. But I'm not sure how to calculate it. > Details: My condo is basically three living spaces - > 1st floor - a tiny kitchen and combination wide-open > dining room/living room (plus tiny bathroom) > 2nd floor - a single large bedroom. (plus large bathroom) > There also is an unfinished basement > My office takes up the dining room, which is about one > THIRD the size of the dining room/living room combo, or > perhaps slightly less than 20 percent the square footage > of the living spaces (not including unfinished basement, 2 > bathrooms, stairways, entryway and closets.) > So........ > A) If I use the room method, can I say my office is one > third (33 percent) of my home (one of three rooms), even > though the dining room square footage is about 20 percent of > both floors? > B) If I use the square footage method, what do I include the > unfinished basement, bathrooms, stairways, entryway and > closets? > I sure wish the publication gave guidance on how to do this. > (Is there anything that I'm missing on the IRS site that > explains this in detail?) Anyone know for sure? I want to be > honest and pay my fair share, but I don't want to rip myself > off either. your residence exclusively for business purposes, and just using the dining room doesn't qualify. Sorry. - quote - > Thanks for any help.
You're welcome. That's what we're here for.ChEAr$$$$, Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA] 13 Apr 2005 ONLY two days more! (yea! I know!) << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Anthony Giorgianni wrote: - quote - > Forget it. Too late now. Four days to get this on the Usenet?
Why don't you give it up.> Give it up. The next time you need a tax question answered, go a local tax pro and pay $150 or $200 per hour. That said, I'm not sure there's any help for someone who cannot use a tape measure and a 4-function calculator. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Forget it. Too late now. Four days to get this on the Usenet? Give it up. -- Regards, Anthony Giorgianni The return address for this post is fictitious. Please reply by posting back to the newsgroup. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Anthony Giorgianni" wrote: - quote - > My office takes up the dining room, which is about one
You maybe skipped past the stuff in the pub about "exclusive> THIRD the size of the dining room/living room combo.... use." A dining room will be presumed to have been used personally. So, is there dining room furniture there? You said "tiny kitchen," implying maybe no room for even a dinette table. And occasional dinner gusts would deny the deduction also. If the "dining room" space has office furniture, and is a separately identifiable area, then the numerator is the square feet of that area. For the denominator, the example in the Pub uses total square footage of the house, which is everything. Doesn't make it "law," but it's reasonable. The mere fact that the basement is unfinished I think doesn't matter, especially if used for personal storage. However, if substantially unused and too dreadful for even storage, just as mildew damage to your stuff, I'd exclude it. Fred F. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Hello All I'm hoping someone has the answer to this because the tax publications seem to be silent on it. Being self-employed, I'm trying to calculate the percentage that my exclusive home office takes up of the small condo I rent. But I'm not sure how to calculate it. Details: My condo is basically three living spaces - 1st floor - a tiny kitchen and combination wide-open dining room/living room (plus tiny bathroom) 2nd floor - a single large bedroom. (plus large bathroom) There also is an unfinished basement M`y office takes up the dining room, which is about one THIRD the size of the dining room/living room combo, or perhaps slightly less than 20 percent the square footage of the living spaces (not including unfinished basement, 2 bathrooms, stairways, entryway and closets.) So........ A) If I use the room method, can I say my office is one third (33 percent) of my home (one of three rooms), even though the dining room square footage is about 20 percent of both floors? B) If I use the square footage method, what do I include the unfinished basement, bathrooms, stairways, entryway and closets? I sure wish the publication gave guidance on how to do this. (Is there anything that I'm missing on the IRS site that explains this in detail?) Anyone know for sure? I want to be honest and pay my fair share, but I don't want to rip myself off either. Thanks for any help. -- Regards, Anthony Giorgianni The return address for this post is fictitious. Please reply by posting back to the newsgroup. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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