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Old 04-14-2005, 03:53 PM
Harlan Lunsford
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Jim Foyle wrote:
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> "Nan, EA in LA" <naneklund[at]aol.com> wrote:
> > NW wrote:


> > > What's the criteria for having to make quarterly tax
> > > payments to the IRS? Is it simply due to exceeding a certain
> > > AGI level? I was asked this question by someone who was
> > > notified by their tax pro that they need to make quarterly
> > > payments for 2005, yet they're receiving a refund this year.


> > Criteria is - avoidance of a penalty for NOT pre-paying the
> > tax. We've got clients who panic at owing and some who owe
> > a couple of thousand every year INCLUDING a penalty
> > (ballpark 6% of what's owed) and prefer it that way.
> > > There is no law that says you have to prepay. There is a

> > law that says IRS can charge you a penalty for not
> > prepaying. We try to help clients avoid a penalty but it is
> > their choice - always.


> I've been mulling this point. I grossly overpaid estimated
> taxes last year mainly because my taxes on Social Security
> income were quite different from what I expected.
> Somebody on this ng was amazed at people overpaying, which
> is an interest free loan to the government, then paying a
> premium to a tax preparer to get an early?!?! refund.
> It seems to me to be a better strategy to pay as close as
> possible, and risk erring on the side of underpayment. I
> really don't see why I should be making interest free loans.


I agree, as long as the underpayment of course results in no
penalties.

This past year, 2004, I underestimated my state income
taxes and had to divy up my underpayment. Darn it! I'll
do better for this year and thereby avoid having to mail the
state a check for one dollar. But I DID come close!

ChEAr$$$$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA]
13 Apr 2005
ONLY two days more!

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Old 04-13-2005, 05:16 PM
Jim Foyle
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"Nan, EA in LA" <naneklund[at]aol.com> wrote:
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> NW wrote:

> > What's the criteria for having to make quarterly tax
> > payments to the IRS? Is it simply due to exceeding a certain
> > AGI level? I was asked this question by someone who was
> > notified by their tax pro that they need to make quarterly
> > payments for 2005, yet they're receiving a refund this year.


> Criteria is - avoidance of a penalty for NOT pre-paying the
> tax. We've got clients who panic at owing and some who owe
> a couple of thousand every year INCLUDING a penalty
> (ballpark 6% of what's owed) and prefer it that way.
> There is no law that says you have to prepay. There is a
> law that says IRS can charge you a penalty for not
> prepaying. We try to help clients avoid a penalty but it is
> their choice - always.


I've been mulling this point. I grossly overpaid estimated
taxes last year mainly because my taxes on Social Security
income were quite different from what I expected.

Somebody on this ng was amazed at people overpaying, which
is an interest free loan to the government, then paying a
premium to a tax preparer to get an early?!?! refund.

It seems to me to be a better strategy to pay as close as
possible, and risk erring on the side of underpayment. I
really don't see why I should be making interest free loans.

Jim

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Old 04-11-2005, 08:49 PM
ed
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There are several reason why you would have to or should,
make installment payments to avoid a penalty, even if you
get a refund last year. The need, and amount, to pay
installments is based on last year's tax, not how much you
overpaid last year, or if you got a refund. See form 2210
nd its instructions, or Publication 505.

ed

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Old 04-11-2005, 06:13 PM
Nan, EA in LA
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NW wrote:

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> What's the criteria for having to make quarterly tax
> payments to the IRS? Is it simply due to exceeding a certain
> AGI level? I was asked this question by someone who was
> notified by their tax pro that they need to make quarterly
> payments for 2005, yet they're receiving a refund this year.


Criteria is - avoidance of a penalty for NOT pre-paying the
tax. We've got clients who panic at owing and some who owe
a couple of thousand every year INCLUDING a penalty
(ballpark 6% of what's owed) and prefer it that way.

There is no law that says you have to prepay. There is a
law that says IRS can charge you a penalty for not
prepaying. We try to help clients avoid a penalty but it is
their choice - always.

Nan, EA in LA

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Old 04-11-2005, 04:57 PM
ed
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Quarterly payments are not mandatory, but if you underpay
there is a 6% simple interest penalty.

There is no penalty if you pay in in substantaially equal
and on time amounts 1/4 of llast year's tax (110% if last
year's AGI was over $150,000) each tax quarter, or 1/4 of
90% of this year's final tax. Getting a refund for last year
is no sure indication of this.

ed

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Old 04-11-2005, 04:18 PM
Phil Marti
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"NW" <nowhere[at]noplace.com> wrote:

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> What's the criteria for having to make quarterly tax
> payments to the IRS?


See IRS Publication 505.

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Phil Marti
Clarksburg, MD

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Old 04-07-2005, 07:14 AM
NW
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What's the criteria for having to make quarterly tax
payments to the IRS? Is it simply due to exceeding a certain
AGI level? I was asked this question by someone who was
notified by their tax pro that they need to make quarterly
payments for 2005, yet they're receiving a refund this year.

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