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Old 04-12-2005, 09:14 PM
Harlan Lunsford
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Tony Lima wrote:
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> Larry" <larryamitchell[at]hotmail.com> wrote:

> > Taxpayer's husband died in January 2005. Surviving spouse
> > is now trying to file the 2004 tax return. However, in
> > doing so, she discovers that husband withdrew all of the
> > funds out of his IRA accounts (> $100,000). If she prepares
> > the return correctly the return will show a tax liability in
> > excess of $30,000 which she does not have. What does she do?


> Look into the IRS "innocent spouse tax relief" program. I
> believe they'll be pretty sympathetic. Usual disclaimers. -


THEIRS (The IRS) sympathy may depend on several factors.

I would certainly advocate exploring the innocent spouse
possibility, (even though privately I question the concept
of 'innocent spouse'!) however if in Kahl...eeee fornyia"
(Did I pronounce that right, Ahnald?), might common ...
community property laws be a factor?

I just don't know. Stu?

ChEAr$$$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA
11 Apr 2005
4 days and counting...... down.....\

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Old 04-12-2005, 08:16 PM
Alan
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bsteiner[at]att.net wrote:
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> Larry wrote:

> > Taxpayer's husband died in January 2005. Surviving spouse
> > is now trying to file the 2004 tax return. However, in
> > doing so, she discovers that husband withdrew all of the
> > funds out of his IRA accounts (> $100,000). If she prepares
> > the return correctly the return will show a tax liability in
> > excess of $30,000 which she does not have. What does she do?


> She could file a separate return, in which case she won't be
> liable for the tax on his income.


Unless they were domiciled in a community property state and
she had a community property interest in the IRA.

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Old 04-11-2005, 09:08 PM
D. Stussy
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Larry wrote:

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> Taxpayer's husband died in January 2005. Surviving spouse
> is now trying to file the 2004 tax return. However, in
> doing so, she discovers that husband withdrew all of the
> funds out of his IRA accounts (> $100,000). If she prepares
> the return correctly the return will show a tax liability in
> excess of $30,000 which she does not have. What does she do?


She still files the return on time, if possible. Filing and
paying are separate issues. Penalties for late payment are
much less than for late filing (as any extension would be
invalidated for not paying an estimate that would cover the
tax).

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Old 04-11-2005, 08:30 PM
bsteiner@att.net
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Larry wrote:

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> Taxpayer's husband died in January 2005. Surviving spouse
> is now trying to file the 2004 tax return. However, in
> doing so, she discovers that husband withdrew all of the
> funds out of his IRA accounts (> $100,000). If she prepares
> the return correctly the return will show a tax liability in
> excess of $30,000 which she does not have. What does she do?


She could file a separate return, in which case she won't be
liable for the tax on his income.

She might also look at whether it might be possible to apply
for a waiver of the 60-day deadline for an IRA rollover,
which might allow his IRA to be restored.

She should consult with the lawyer handling her husband's
estate, or with other competent tax counsel.

Bruce Steiner, attorney
NYC also admitted in NJ and FL

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Old 04-11-2005, 08:30 PM
Tony Lima
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Larry" <larryamitchell[at]hotmail.com> wrote:

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> Taxpayer's husband died in January 2005. Surviving spouse
> is now trying to file the 2004 tax return. However, in
> doing so, she discovers that husband withdrew all of the
> funds out of his IRA accounts (> $100,000). If she prepares
> the return correctly the return will show a tax liability in
> excess of $30,000 which she does not have. What does she do?


Look into the IRS "innocent spouse tax relief" program. I
believe they'll be pretty sympathetic. Usual disclaimers. -

Tony Lima
--
Prof. Tony Lima
Dept. of Economics
California State University, East Bay
tlima[at]csuhayward.edu
(510) 885-3889

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Old 04-11-2005, 04:57 PM
Harlan Lunsford
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Larry wrote:

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> Taxpayer's husband died in January 2005. Surviving spouse
> is now trying to file the 2004 tax return. However, in
> doing so, she discovers that husband withdrew all of the
> funds out of his IRA accounts (> $100,000). If she prepares
> the return correctly the return will show a tax liability in
> excess of $30,000 which she does not have. What does she do?


Provided she is the personal representative of her husband,
i.e. either executor or administrator of his estate and not
some other party, she has option of filing his separate
return. Then the IRS could look only to any assets of his
estate for payments.

Of course if she IS the executor,........she had better know
or find out where the money went.

Might need some local professional help on this one. See
an EA or CPA in local area.

ChEAr$$$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA
7 Apr 2005
8 days and counting.....

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Old 04-11-2005, 04:38 PM
Frederick Jorden
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Larry wrote:

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> Taxpayer's husband died in January 2005. Surviving spouse
> is now trying to file the 2004 tax return. However, in
> doing so, she discovers that husband withdrew all of the
> funds out of his IRA accounts (> $100,000). If she prepares
> the return correctly the return will show a tax liability in
> excess of $30,000 which she does not have. What does she do?


File separate returns for each spouse. Give the cemetery lot
number for the husbands current address.

--
Frederick E. Jorden http://Tax-Accounting-Payroll.com
7825 Midlothian Tpk - 207 Richmond, VA 23235-5247
EMAIL knowtax[at]bigfoot.com
(804) 320-6210 FAX (804) 320-6211

Moderator:
This makes the list for 2005 Tax Humor inspite of it being
an excellent response.

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Old 04-11-2005, 04:18 PM
Phil Marti
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"Larry" <larryamitchell[at]hotmail.com> wrote:

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> Taxpayer's husband died in January 2005. Surviving spouse
> is now trying to file the 2004 tax return. However, in
> doing so, she discovers that husband withdrew all of the
> funds out of his IRA accounts (> $100,000). If she prepares
> the return correctly the return will show a tax liability in
> excess of $30,000 which she does not have. What does she do?


I would definitely investigate filing married, filing
separately and letting the husband's personal representative
do likewise.

--
Phil Marti
Clarksburg, MD

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Old 04-07-2005, 06:17 AM
Larry
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Taxpayer's husband died in January 2005. Surviving spouse
is now trying to file the 2004 tax return. However, in
doing so, she discovers that husband withdrew all of the
funds out of his IRA accounts (> $100,000). If she prepares
the return correctly the return will show a tax liability in
excess of $30,000 which she does not have. What does she do?

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