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| Herb Smith wrote: - quote - > ClanCampbell wrote:
I second this answer: Kindergarten must be optional in your> > My child is enrolled in an all-day Kindergarten program here > > in Arizona. What deduction, if any, can I claim on either > > my Fed or AZ tax return. We pay approximately $200/month > > for this. > There is no deduction for Kindergarten educational expenses. > However, if your child is attending so that you can work, or > look for work, the expense can be treated as Day Care. Use > form 2441 to calculate the credit you are allowed. state and you must send the child so that you can work or look for work. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| A.G. Kalman wrote: - quote - > bono9763[at]yahoo.com wrote:
Thanks for that, Alan.> > ClanCampbell wrote: > > > My child is enrolled in an all-day Kindergarten program here > > > in Arizona. What deduction, if any, can I claim on either > > > my Fed or AZ tax return. We pay approximately $200/month > > > for this. > > Kindergarten is considered to have only incidental > > educational activity, so these expenses are eligible for > > child and dependent care credits. > Your answer is contrary to my understanding of kindergarten. > Kindergarten is considered to be educational in nature and > not day care. This is the case for practically all > kindergarten classes mandated by state or local governments. > They are usually less than full day sessions. Their cost > would not qualify for the dependent care credit. In many > instances both public and private schools offer full day > sessions and require fees to be paid for the additional time > spent. These fees may qualify as long as the primary purpose > is day care. Here is a quote from the only IRS document I > have ever seen on the kindergarten issue. It is from > Information Letter 2000-0246, 9/30/2000. The whole letter > should be read by tax professionals. > "Accordingly, whether or not an expense qualifies for the > dependent care credit depends on the nature and primary > purpose of the services provided and is primarily a question > of fact. In order for an expense to qualify in full for the > dependent care credit, any portion of the expense for > purposes other than care must be minimal or insignificant > and inseparable from the portion of the expense for care. If > a significant portion of the expense is for purposes other > than care, an allocation must be made. An expense that is > primarily for a purpose that is not care, such as education, > does not qualify for the dependent care credit." > The school itself should be able to tell the taxpayer what > the primary purpose is of the kindergarten sessions. It is > quite possible, that the afternoon session is for day care > and an allocation of the fees paid could be made. > All of the above relates to federal taxation. I have not > researched AZ law on this subject. Here I always thought that kindegarten costs were eligible for child care since this did not take the place of regular school, but was optional. Only when the child enters first grade there are no longer any credits, since there's no cost obviously. ChEAr$, Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA 24 Mar 2005 << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| bono9763[at]yahoo.com wrote: - quote - > ClanCampbell wrote:
Maybe AZ is different, but for my state (CA), I disagree.> > My child is enrolled in an all-day Kindergarten program here > > in Arizona. What deduction, if any, can I claim on either > > my Fed or AZ tax return. We pay approximately $200/month > > for this. > Kindergarten is considered to have only incidental > educational activity, so these expenses are eligible for > child and dependent care credits. "Pre-school" may count, but Kindergarten (defined as the year before "First Grade") does not - it is considered education. However, any care provided after its normal ending time and the end of the work day will qualify. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| bono9763[at]yahoo.com wrote: - quote - > ClanCampbell wrote:
Your answer is contrary to my understanding of kindergarten.> > My child is enrolled in an all-day Kindergarten program here > > in Arizona. What deduction, if any, can I claim on either > > my Fed or AZ tax return. We pay approximately $200/month > > for this. > Kindergarten is considered to have only incidental > educational activity, so these expenses are eligible for > child and dependent care credits. Kindergarten is considered to be educational in nature and not day care. This is the case for practically all kindergarten classes mandated by state or local governments. They are usually less than full day sessions. Their cost would not qualify for the dependent care credit. In many instances both public and private schools offer full day sessions and require fees to be paid for the additional time spent. These fees may qualify as long as the primary purpose is day care. Here is a quote from the only IRS document I have ever seen on the kindergarten issue. It is from Information Letter 2000-0246, 9/30/2000. The whole letter should be read by tax professionals. "Accordingly, whether or not an expense qualifies for the dependent care credit depends on the nature and primary purpose of the services provided and is primarily a question of fact. In order for an expense to qualify in full for the dependent care credit, any portion of the expense for purposes other than care must be minimal or insignificant and inseparable from the portion of the expense for care. If a significant portion of the expense is for purposes other than care, an allocation must be made. An expense that is primarily for a purpose that is not care, such as education, does not qualify for the dependent care credit." The school itself should be able to tell the taxpayer what the primary purpose is of the kindergarten sessions. It is quite possible, that the afternoon session is for day care and an allocation of the fees paid could be made. All of the above relates to federal taxation. I have not researched AZ law on this subject. -- Alan http://taxtopics.net << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| ClanCampbell wrote: - quote - > My child is enrolled in an all-day Kindergarten program here
Only higher education expenses can be deducted. If this> in Arizona. What deduction, if any, can I claim on either > my Fed or AZ tax return. We pay approximately $200/month > for this. were a day care center (not a school) expenses would be allowed then. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| ClanCampbell wrote: - quote - > My child is enrolled in an all-day Kindergarten program here
There is no deduction for Kindergarten educational expenses.> in Arizona. What deduction, if any, can I claim on either > my Fed or AZ tax return. We pay approximately $200/month > for this. However, if your child is attending so that you can work, or look for work, the expense can be treated as Day Care. Use form 2441 to calculate the credit you are allowed. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| ClanCampbell wrote: - quote - > My child is enrolled in an all-day Kindergarten program here
Zero. It's considered education, not day-care.> in Arizona. What deduction, if any, can I claim on either > my Fed or AZ tax return. We pay approximately $200/month > for this. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| ClanCampbell wrote: - quote - > My child is enrolled in an all-day Kindergarten program here
Kindergarten is considered to have only incidental> in Arizona. What deduction, if any, can I claim on either > my Fed or AZ tax return. We pay approximately $200/month > for this. educational activity, so these expenses are eligible for child and dependent care credits. Dennis << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| My child is enrolled in an all-day Kindergarten program here in Arizona. What deduction, if any, can I claim on either my Fed or AZ tax return. We pay approximately $200/month for this. Thanks, CC << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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