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Old 03-17-2005, 06:11 AM
Arthur L. Rubin
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D. Stussy wrote:

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> Death is generally considered reasonable cause for any
> late filing penalty.


If the death occurs before the filing deadline. It doesn't
seem as if this was necessarily the case, here.

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Old 03-13-2005, 10:56 PM
D. Stussy
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Rick wrote:

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> I've become executor for my mother's estate. Her final
> income tax return and estate income tax return don't seem
> complicated, and her total estate is well below the
> $1,500,000 threshold for filing the Form 706 Estate Tax
> Return.
> But she made a cash gift in 2003 that was greater than the
> annual exclusion amount and did not file a Form 709 Gift Tax
> Return. The amount of the excess would make little
> difference in her maximum unified credit. If it had been
> filed, there shouldn't have been any tax due either at that
> time or now.
> How should I handle this? It appears that Form 8892,
> Application for Extension of Time to File doesn't apply
> beyond six months after the return should have been filed.
> It seems that I should file a Form 709 with an attached
> explanation. Is that correct, and should filing the late
> Form 709 have any effect on when I should file either of the
> regular income tax returns?
> I suppose there would be no penalty based on any unpaid
> amount due if there wouldn't have been any amount due. But
> is it likely there would be any penalty based on the 709 not
> having been filed in the first place?


Death is generally considered reasonable cause for any late filing penalty.

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Old 03-09-2005, 08:03 PM
Stuart A. Bronstein
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"Rick" <rickz2675[at]hotmail.com> wrote:

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> I've become executor for my mother's estate. Her final
> income tax return and estate income tax return don't seem
> complicated, and her total estate is well below the
> $1,500,000 threshold for filing the Form 706 Estate Tax
> Return.
> But she made a cash gift in 2003 that was greater than the
> annual exclusion amount and did not file a Form 709 Gift Tax
> Return. The amount of the excess would make little
> difference in her maximum unified credit. If it had been
> filed, there shouldn't have been any tax due either at that
> time or now.
> I suppose there would be no penalty based on any unpaid
> amount due if there wouldn't have been any amount due. But
> is it likely there would be any penalty based on the 709 not
> having been filed in the first place?


The last time I faced that situation (years ago, so it may
have changed) any penalty for failure to file a timely 709
was based on the amount of tax due. Since no tax is due, it
may be that there is no penalty for late filing.

Stu

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Old 03-08-2005, 10:53 AM
Rick
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Default Executor, late gift tax return

I've become executor for my mother's estate. Her final
income tax return and estate income tax return don't seem
complicated, and her total estate is well below the
$1,500,000 threshold for filing the Form 706 Estate Tax
Return.

But she made a cash gift in 2003 that was greater than the
annual exclusion amount and did not file a Form 709 Gift Tax
Return. The amount of the excess would make little
difference in her maximum unified credit. If it had been
filed, there shouldn't have been any tax due either at that
time or now.

How should I handle this? It appears that Form 8892,
Application for Extension of Time to File doesn't apply
beyond six months after the return should have been filed.
It seems that I should file a Form 709 with an attached
explanation. Is that correct, and should filing the late
Form 709 have any effect on when I should file either of the
regular income tax returns?

I suppose there would be no penalty based on any unpaid
amount due if there wouldn't have been any amount due. But
is it likely there would be any penalty based on the 709 not
having been filed in the first place?

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