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| On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 mune19642003[at]yahoo.com wrote: - quote - > I and my ex jointly bought the house in 1998 for $220,000 in
Transfers incident to divorce are not taxable (and are ignored). It's your> California. We lived in the house since then. We started > divorce proceedings in 2004 and my wife moved out. Current > value of the house is 540,000. > I had to pay her, by refinancing my mortgage, half the > current property value minus loan remaining which came to > about 200,000. i.e [ (540k - 140k)/2 ] . She did not pay any > taxes for that. > Now I understand if I sell the house I am stuck with a > capital gains tax as a single person on the entire gain !!! > i.e 540k-220k = 320 K as the limit is only 250K ? > This does not look fair, as my cost basis should be > readjusted when I paid my ex half the value 200K !!! > My real gain is much less. > Any comments ?? problem that you didn't have your divorce lawyer bring in a tax advisor so you wouldn't get screwed in the deal. Sorry. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Rick Merrill" <rick0.merrill[at]gmailNOSPAM.com> wrote: - quote - > mune19642003[at]yahoo.com wrote:
There are a few WRONG answers being posted on this subject> > I and my ex jointly bought the house in 1998 for $220,000 in > > California. We lived in the house since then. We started > > divorce proceedings in 2004 and my wife moved out. Current > > value of the house is 540,000. > > > I had to pay her, by refinancing my mortgage, half the > > current property value minus loan remaining which came to > > about 200,000. i.e [ (540k - 140k)/2 ] . She did not pay any > > taxes for that. > > > Now I understand if I sell the house I am stuck with a > > capital gains tax as a single person on the entire gain !!! > > i.e 540k-220k = 320 K as the limit is only 250K? > > > This does not look fair, as my cost basis should be > > readjusted when I paid my ex half the value 200K !!! > > My real gain is much less. > You paid for half the original house and bought out the > other half for 200K so your cost basis is 220K/2 + 200K or > 310K ... i.e. your cap gain would be 540-310=230, ta da > under the limit. so I thought I would expand on my original answer and give the OP some authority. Under Code Section 1041, any transfer of property between spouses during marriage or any transfer of property between former spouses incident to a divorce is treated as a gift. Because these transfers are treated as gifts, the transferee spouse may exclude the property received from his gross income under Code Section 102(a). The transferee spouse's basis in the property received for all purposes is the transferor's adjusted basis immediately before the transfer. Code Section 1041(b)(2). This carryover basis rule applies whether the adjusted basis of the transferred property is less than, equal to, or greater than its fair market value at the time of the transfer, regardless of the value of any consideration provided by the transferee, and applies for purposes of determining loss as well as gain on the subsequent disposition of the property by the transferee. Reg. Section 1.1041-1T(d), Code Section 1041 is not elective. It applies whether the transfer is for relinquishment of marital rights, for cash or other property, for the assumption of liabilities in excess of basis, or for other consideration, and is intended to apply to any indebtedness that is discharged. Reg. Section 1.1041-1T(d). Even if the transfer is a bona fide sale, the transferor does not recognize gain or loss, and the transferee does not acquire a new cost basis in the transferred property. Reg. Section 1.1041-1T(a) Code Section 1041 applies regardless of whether the transfer is of property separately owned by the transferor or is a division (equal or unequal) of community property. Further, Code Section 1041 applies even if the transferred property is subject to liabilities that exceed the adjusted basis of the property. Reg. Section 1.1041-1T(d), EXAMPLE: Andy owns property having a fair market value of $10,000 and an adjusted basis of $1,000. In contemplation of making a transfer incident to a divorce from Becky, Andy borrows $5,000 from a bank, using the property as security for the borrowing. Andy then transfers the property to Becky and Becky assumes, or takes the property subject to, the liability to pay the $5,000 debt. Under Code Section 1041, Andy recognizes no gain or loss on the transfer of the property, and Becky's adjusted basis in the property is $1,000. Code Section 1041 also applies to transfers of property incident to a divorce. Code Section 1041(a)(2). A transfer of property is incident to a divorce if it occurs within one year after the date on which the marriage ceases or is related to the cessation of the marriage. A transfer is treated as related to the cessation of the marriage if the transfer is pursuant to a or separation instrument and the transfer occurs not more than six years after the date on which the marriage ceases. A divorce or separation instrument includes a modification or amendment to a decree or instrument. Reg. Section 1.1041-1T(b) Gene E. Utterback, EA, RFC << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Given the facts that we have, i think Gene has the right answer. Transfers incident to a divorce are treated for tax purposes as gifts to the buyer from the seller, and result in no gain recognition to the seller. See Code section 1041. Your cost basis is the original basis of the home (your original one-half plus the half that your ex is deemed to have gifted to you under the tax law), so a total of $220. If you sell the house for $540, you will have a gain of $310 and will owe tax on the gain. --Chris Ballard << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Bill wrote: - quote - > Your cost basis
Except that he didn't pay her for her share of the house; he> should be adjusted to reflect the additional $200,000 -- > which you paid to your wife, for her share of the house. paid her "property settlement." And there's no gain or loss or basis adjustment in a property settlement incident to divorce. I'm with Gene - your attorney (or your tax advisor, if that person was asked to comment on the tax ramifications of the divorce terms) should have told you what the tax consequences of the split were. Phoebe ![]() << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Gene E. Utterback, EA" <eagent[at]alliancetax.com> wrote: - quote - > <mune19642003[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
In this kind of situation timing is everything. You might be> > I and my ex jointly bought the house in 1998 for $220,000 in > > California. We lived in the house since then. We started > > divorce proceedings in 2004 and my wife moved out. Current > > value of the house is 540,000. > > > I had to pay her, by refinancing my mortgage, half the > > current property value minus loan remaining which came to > > about 200,000. i.e [ (540k - 140k)/2 ] . She did not pay any > > taxes for that. > > > Now I understand if I sell the house I am stuck with a > > capital gains tax as a single person on the entire gain !!! > > i.e 540k-220k = 320 K as the limit is only 250K? > > > This does not look fair, as my cost basis should be > > readjusted when I paid my ex half the value 200K !!! > > My real gain is much less. > > > Any comments?? > You should have sold the house before you got divorced. > Sorry, but that is the scoop. You do NOT get to adjust your > basis for money you paid to your wife (or ex-wife) to get > the house. > Were you properly advised by your attorney of tax > ramifications of this situation BEFORE your divorce was > final? You should have been so advised. Perhaps you have a > malpractice case against the attorney, assuming s/he did NOT > properly notify you of this. able to restructure the divorce decree to exclude the house from the property settlement. If you then wait at least a year, you can then buy the ex's half from her and be able to include the additional cost as basis; she might still be able to exclude her gain if she meets the "2 out of 5" test. I just had a related circumstance with a client who needed to sell her half of a rental property to her ex. In that situation, they were still within the time period in which transfers are presumed to be "incident to divorce." With full knowledge of the tax ramifications (ex would be responsible for full gain when he sells the rental; my client has no tax obligation) versus waiting until they were outside the year time period (my client has gain on sale and ex gets new basis), they were able to agree on a middle ground where the sales price was lowered to split the tax difference. -- Tom Healy, CPA Boulder, CO Web: http://www.tomhealycpa.com << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| mune19642003[at]yahoo.com wrote: - quote - > I and my ex jointly bought the house in 1998 for $220,000 in
You paid for half the original house and bought out the> California. We lived in the house since then. We started > divorce proceedings in 2004 and my wife moved out. Current > value of the house is 540,000. > I had to pay her, by refinancing my mortgage, half the > current property value minus loan remaining which came to > about 200,000. i.e [ (540k - 140k)/2 ] . She did not pay any > taxes for that. > Now I understand if I sell the house I am stuck with a > capital gains tax as a single person on the entire gain !!! > i.e 540k-220k = 320 K as the limit is only 250K ? > This does not look fair, as my cost basis should be > readjusted when I paid my ex half the value 200K !!! > My real gain is much less. other half for 200K so your cost basis is 220K/2 + 200K or 310K ... i.e. your cap gain would be 540-310=230, ta da under the limit. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| <mune19642003[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > I and my ex jointly bought the house in 1998 for $220,000 in
You should have sold the house before you got divorced.> California. We lived in the house since then. We started > divorce proceedings in 2004 and my wife moved out. Current > value of the house is 540,000. > I had to pay her, by refinancing my mortgage, half the > current property value minus loan remaining which came to > about 200,000. i.e [ (540k - 140k)/2 ] . She did not pay any > taxes for that. > Now I understand if I sell the house I am stuck with a > capital gains tax as a single person on the entire gain !!! > i.e 540k-220k = 320 K as the limit is only 250K ? > This does not look fair, as my cost basis should be > readjusted when I paid my ex half the value 200K !!! > My real gain is much less. > Any comments ?? Sorry, but that is the scoop. You do NOT get to adjust your basis for money you paid to your wife (or ex-wife) to get the house. Were you properly advised by your attorney of tax ramifications of this situation BEFORE your divorce was final? You should have been so advised. Perhaps you have a malpractice case against the attorney, assuming s/he did NOT properly notify you of this. Gene E. Utterback, EA << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| mune19642003[at]yahoo.com wrote: - quote - > I and my ex jointly bought the house in 1998
Who told you that? Sounds wrong to me: Your cost basis> for $220,000 in California. We lived in the > house since then. We started divorce > proceedings in 2004 and my wife moved out. > Current value of the house is 540,000. > I had to pay her, by refinancing my mortgage, > half the current property value minus loan > remaining which came to about 200,000. i.e [ > (540k - 140k)/2 ] . She did not pay any taxes > for that. > Now I understand if I sell the house I am stuck > with a capital gains tax as a single person on > the entire gain !!! i.e 540k-220k = 320 K as the > limit is only 250K ? > This does not look fair, as my cost basis > should be readjusted when I paid my ex half > the value 200K !!! My real gain is much less. should be adjusted to reflect the additional $200,000 -- which you paid to your wife, for her share of the house. And you should certainly also include the original $110,000 (your share of the $220,000), which means your correct cost basis is now about $310,000. So if you sell for $540,000, your gain would be $230,000 -- and therefore free of any tax obligation, under current law. Of course, there may be other additions to the cost basis which you haven't included -- such as significant home improvements, like a room addition or remodeling of the kitchen. Those would also be added into _your_ basis. I've only dealt with the figures you provided. Bill << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| I and my ex jointly bought the house in 1998 for $220,000 in California. We lived in the house since then. We started divorce proceedings in 2004 and my wife moved out. Current value of the house is 540,000. I had to pay her, by refinancing my mortgage, half the current property value minus loan remaining which came to about 200,000. i.e [ (540k - 140k)/2 ] . She did not pay any taxes for that. Now I understand if I sell the house I am stuck with a capital gains tax as a single person on the entire gain !!! i.e 540k-220k = 320 K as the limit is only 250K ? This does not look fair, as my cost basis should be readjusted when I paid my ex half the value 200K !!! My real gain is much less. Any comments ?? << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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