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Old 03-12-2005, 12:22 PM
Phoebe Roberts, EA
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eveacct wrote:

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> my question is to Phoebe regarding basis problem.
> What type of problem?


I misread, and assumed you were the S-corp owner (as opposed
to a preparer). I don't think there's a basis problem; by
"basis issue" I meant that you should remember to calculate
basis.

IME, home daycares often have a loss, particularly in the
first year, especially because of the generous home office
rules and the per diem allowance for meals provided. And
IME, do-it-yourself-ers are often oblivious to basis
limitations on losses. For a one-person company, it's not
usually an issue, but the per diem meals allowance (in
excess of what the company paid) could cause a loss in
excess of basis.

Unless the per diem is treated like percentage depletion,
which is a possibility (never had an S-corp daycare). But
my head is too full of other people's returns to even start
looking it up.

Phoebe

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Old 03-09-2005, 10:56 PM
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"Phoebe Roberts, EA" <phoebe[at]cottagesoft.com> wrote:
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> eveacct wrote:

> > The instructions for a day care indicate form
> > 8829 should be used to determine indirect cost however form
> > 8829 refers to Schedule C. The SCorp has to file form
> > 1120S.


> Use the 8829 as a worksheet. Enter the pro-rated amount of
> each expense on the most-appropriate line of the 1120S.
> IMHO, this isn't a good do-it-yourself situation, because
> IME you may have basis issues.


Thanks all for the answer to the form 8829. However my
question is to Phoebe regarding basis problem.

What type of problem?

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Old 03-09-2005, 09:01 PM
Thomas Healy
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"Harlan Lunsford" <hlunsford[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:
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> Thomas Healy wrote:
> > "eveacct" <eve_acct[at]ameritech.net> wrote:


> > > The entity is an SCorp with one shareholder. The day care
> > > center is licensed and operates out of the shareholder's
> > > residence. The instructions for a day care indicate form
> > > 8829 should be used to determine indirect cost however form
> > > 8829 refers to Schedule C. The SCorp has to file form
> > > 1120S.


> > Use the form 8829 as a worksheet to figure out what the day
> > care deduction should be. Then have the corporation
> > reimburse the employee/shareholder for that amount. The
> > reimbursement will be non-taxable to the employee and give a
> > deduction to the S corporation.


> Seems to me, Tom, that this issue should have been addressed
> before 12/31, and reimbursement made on that basis.


I am not averse to calculating this after year end and
adjusting distributions or loans accordingly.

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Tom Healy, CPA
Boulder, CO
Web: http://www.tomhealycpa.com

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Old 03-08-2005, 10:15 AM
Harlan Lunsford
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Thomas Healy wrote:
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> "eveacct" <eve_acct[at]ameritech.net> wrote:

> > The entity is an SCorp with one shareholder. The day care
> > center is licensed and operates out of the shareholder's
> > residence. The instructions for a day care indicate form
> > 8829 should be used to determine indirect cost however form
> > 8829 refers to Schedule C. The SCorp has to file form
> > 1120S.


> Use the form 8829 as a worksheet to figure out what the day
> care deduction should be. Then have the corporation
> reimburse the employee/shareholder for that amount. The
> reimbursement will be non-taxable to the employee and give a
> deduction to the S corporation.


Seems to me, Tom, that this issue should have been addressed
before 12/31, and reimbursement made on that basis.

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA
Mon 7 mar 2005

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Old 03-07-2005, 08:50 AM
Thomas Healy
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"eveacct" <eve_acct[at]ameritech.net> wrote:

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> The entity is an SCorp with one shareholder. The day care
> center is licensed and operates out of the shareholder's
> residence. The instructions for a day care indicate form
> 8829 should be used to determine indirect cost however form
> 8829 refers to Schedule C. The SCorp has to file form
> 1120S.


Use the form 8829 as a worksheet to figure out what the day
care deduction should be. Then have the corporation
reimburse the employee/shareholder for that amount. The
reimbursement will be non-taxable to the employee and give a
deduction to the S corporation.

--
Tom Healy, CPA
Boulder, CO
Web: http://www.tomhealycpa.com

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Old 03-07-2005, 08:12 AM
Phoebe Roberts, EA
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eveacct wrote:

- quote -

> The instructions for a day care indicate form
> 8829 should be used to determine indirect cost however form
> 8829 refers to Schedule C. The SCorp has to file form
> 1120S.


Use the 8829 as a worksheet. Enter the pro-rated amount of
each expense on the most-appropriate line of the 1120S.

IMHO, this isn't a good do-it-yourself situation, because
IME you may have basis issues.

Phoebe

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Old 03-04-2005, 12:13 AM
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Default S-Corp Day Care Entity Operates in Shareholders Home

The entity is an SCorp with one shareholder. The day care
center is licensed and operates out of the shareholder's
residence. The instructions for a day care indicate form
8829 should be used to determine indirect cost however form
8829 refers to Schedule C. The SCorp has to file form
1120S.

Any help out there?

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