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| "anoop" <ghanwani[at]gmail.com> wrote: - quote - > A.G. Kalman wrote:
You may be able to enter "Various" for some of the dates.> > anoop wrote: > > > This suggests that I would have to enter the purchases in > > > groups for which the grant date was the same. If the grant > > > date is equal to the purchase date, then I would pretty much > > > have to enter each stock transaction individually (about 50 > > > or so), right? > > No. You only need to enter the one transaction. Just perform > > the calculation yourself as to how much is ordinary income > > and how much is capital gain/loss. > Thanks again for the followup. Yes, I can probably do that > calculation by hand, but the problem is that I'm using > TurboTax which expects me to enter a grant date, a grant > price, a purchase date, and a purchase price for each > purchase. Does this mean that I wouldn't be able to use > TurboTax if I lumped everything as one transaction? If I > can use TurboTax even if I enter it as a single transaction, > what would I enter in the fields for the dates, and how > would TurboTax know to treat them as a qualifying > disposition. If not, pick one of the actual dates and use it as if you'd received all the shares one that date. As long as all the shares are qualifying dispositions and all were held long-term, the specific dates should have no effect on the tax computation. -- Barry Margolin, barmar[at]alum.mit.edu Arlington, MA << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| A.G. Kalman wrote: - quote - > anoop wrote:
Thanks again for the followup. Yes, I can probably do that> > This suggests that I would have to enter the purchases in > > groups for which the grant date was the same. If the grant > > date is equal to the purchase date, then I would pretty much > > have to enter each stock transaction individually (about 50 > > or so), right? > No. You only need to enter the one transaction. Just perform > the calculation yourself as to how much is ordinary income > and how much is capital gain/loss. calculation by hand, but the problem is that I'm using TurboTax which expects me to enter a grant date, a grant price, a purchase date, and a purchase price for each purchase. Does this mean that I wouldn't be able to use TurboTax if I lumped everything as one transaction? If I can use TurboTax even if I enter it as a single transaction, what would I enter in the fields for the dates, and how would TurboTax know to treat them as a qualifying disposition. Anoop << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| anoop wrote: - quote - > A.G. Kalman wrote:
No. You only need to enter the one transaction. Just perform> > anoop wrote: > > > - In the first plan, the stock was purchased every pay > > > period (2 times a month) at a 15% discount. I have > > > about 50 or so purchases. Do I have to enter each of > > > these separately in TurboTax? Is there a way to get > > > around that? If so, what do I use for the grant date, > > > price on grant date, purchase date, purchase price, etc.? > > > Also, I don't know what the grant date was for > > > each of these purchases. The statement that I received > > > from the broker does list all of the purchases with > > > purchase dates, but it doesn't say anything about the > > > grant date. FWIW, all of the stock purchased in this plan > > > resulted in gains. > > If you had a single sale of stock that is all long-term, you > > only need to list one selling transaction in Part II of > > Schedule D. > It was all sold as one transaction. > > Enter "Various" as the purchase date. You can't > > complete the Schedule D until you compute the amount of > > ordinary income on a qualified disposition. The Schedule D > > needs to have the cost basis which will be what you paid > > plus any amount included on the 1040 Line 7 as ordinary > > gain. (I'm assuming that for any number of reasons, the > > ordinary gain is not in Box 1 of your W-2). > I left the employer six years ago, so I didn't get a > W-2 from them this year. > > The employer's > > investor relations department should be able to tell you the > > grant dates. > Thanks for the suggestion. I will check with them. > > You need the grant dates in order to determine > > the amount of ordinary gain to report. On a qualifying > > disposition your ordinary income is the LESSER of the 15% > > discount at the beginning of the offering period (grant > > date) or the actual gain (sales price less what you paid). > This suggests that I would have to enter the purchases in > groups for which the grant date was the same. If the grant > date is equal to the purchase date, then I would pretty much > have to enter each stock transaction individually (about 50 > or so), right? the calculation yourself as to how much is ordinary income and how much is capital gain/loss. - quote - > > > - In the second ESPP plan, I had transferred the shares
--> > > to a regular brokerage. I do have records of all the > > > purchases made, but I didn't receive a 1099 saying it > > > was ESPP stock that I sold. I assume that I must still > > > report it as ESPP. Is my assumption correct? Like > > > the previous case, I don't have information about the > > > grant date. But for this one, all of the stock purchased > > > resulted in losses. > > If the selling price was less than what you paid, and you > > had a qualifying disposition, then you just report the loss > > on Schedule D. If you had had a disqualifying disposition, > > then the 15% discount is reportable as ordinary income and > > you also have a capital loss. > I've held the stocks more than 4 years so I assume it's a > qualifying disposition. I was under the impression that the > 15% discount gets reported as income even if the selling > price is less than what I paid, so this is good to know. Alan http://taxtopics.net << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| A.G. Kalman wrote: - quote - > anoop wrote:
It was all sold as one transaction.> > - In the first plan, the stock was purchased every pay > > period (2 times a month) at a 15% discount. I have > > about 50 or so purchases. Do I have to enter each of > > these separately in TurboTax? Is there a way to get > > around that? If so, what do I use for the grant date, > > price on grant date, purchase date, purchase price, etc.? > > Also, I don't know what the grant date was for > > each of these purchases. The statement that I received > > from the broker does list all of the purchases with > > purchase dates, but it doesn't say anything about the > > grant date. FWIW, all of the stock purchased in this plan > > resulted in gains. > If you had a single sale of stock that is all long-term, you > only need to list one selling transaction in Part II of > Schedule D. - quote - > Enter "Various" as the purchase date. You can't
I left the employer six years ago, so I didn't get a> complete the Schedule D until you compute the amount of > ordinary income on a qualified disposition. The Schedule D > needs to have the cost basis which will be what you paid > plus any amount included on the 1040 Line 7 as ordinary > gain. (I'm assuming that for any number of reasons, the > ordinary gain is not in Box 1 of your W-2). W-2 from them this year. - quote - > The employer's
Thanks for the suggestion. I will check with them.> investor relations department should be able to tell you the > grant dates. - quote - > You need the grant dates in order to determine
This suggests that I would have to enter the purchases in> the amount of ordinary gain to report. On a qualifying > disposition your ordinary income is the LESSER of the 15% > discount at the beginning of the offering period (grant > date) or the actual gain (sales price less what you paid). groups for which the grant date was the same. If the grant date is equal to the purchase date, then I would pretty much have to enter each stock transaction individually (about 50 or so), right? - quote - > > - In the second ESPP plan, I had transferred the shares
I've held the stocks more than 4 years so I assume it's a> > to a regular brokerage. I do have records of all the > > purchases made, but I didn't receive a 1099 saying it > > was ESPP stock that I sold. I assume that I must still > > report it as ESPP. Is my assumption correct? Like > > the previous case, I don't have information about the > > grant date. But for this one, all of the stock purchased > > resulted in losses. > If the selling price was less than what you paid, and you > had a qualifying disposition, then you just report the loss > on Schedule D. If you had had a disqualifying disposition, > then the 15% discount is reportable as ordinary income and > you also have a capital loss. qualifying disposition. I was under the impression that the 15% discount gets reported as income even if the selling price is less than what I paid, so this is good to know. Thanks for your reply. Anoop << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| anoop wrote: - quote - > I sold ESPP stock from 2 companies last year and had some
If you had a single sale of stock that is all long-term, you> questions related to that. They are both from plans that > I was in more than 4 years ago (i.e. all of the stock > discussed below has been held 4 years or longer). > - In the first plan, the stock was purchased every pay > period (2 times a month) at a 15% discount. I have > about 50 or so purchases. Do I have to enter each of > these separately in TurboTax? Is there a way to get > around that? If so, what do I use for the grant date, > price on grant date, purchase date, purchase price, etc.? > Also, I don't know what the grant date was for > each of these purchases. The statement that I received > from the broker does list all of the purchases with > purchase dates, but it doesn't say anything about the > grant date. FWIW, all of the stock purchased in this plan > resulted in gains. only need to list one selling transaction in Part II of Schedule D. Enter "Various" as the purchase date. You can't complete the Schedule D until you compute the amount of ordinary income on a qualified disposition. The Schedule D needs to have the cost basis which will be what you paid plus any amount included on the 1040 Line 7 as ordinary gain. (I'm assuming that for any number of reasons, the ordinary gain is not in Box 1 of your W-2). The employer's investor relations department should be able to tell you the grant dates. You need the grant dates in order to determine the amount of ordinary gain to report. On a qualifying disposition your ordinary income is the LESSER of the 15% discount at the beginning of the offering period (grant date) or the actual gain (sales price less what you paid). - quote - > - In the second ESPP plan, I had transferred the shares
If the selling price was less than what you paid, and you> to a regular brokerage. I do have records of all the > purchases made, but I didn't receive a 1099 saying it > was ESPP stock that I sold. I assume that I must still > report it as ESPP. Is my assumption correct? Like > the previous case, I don't have information about the > grant date. But for this one, all of the stock purchased > resulted in losses. had a qualifying disposition, then you just report the loss on Schedule D. If you had had a disqualifying disposition, then the 15% discount is reportable as ordinary income and you also have a capital loss. - quote - > - If I reinvested dividends received from these stocks,
No, the shares purchased through dividend reinvestment are> then are those to be reported as part of the ESPP? not ESPP shares. -- Alan http://taxtopics.net << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| I sold ESPP stock from 2 companies last year and had some questions related to that. They are both from plans that I was in more than 4 years ago (i.e. all of the stock discussed below has been held 4 years or longer). - In the first plan, the stock was purchased every pay period (2 times a month) at a 15% discount. I have about 50 or so purchases. Do I have to enter each of these separately in TurboTax? Is there a way to get around that? If so, what do I use for the grant date, price on grant date, purchase date, purchase price, etc.? Also, I don't know what the grant date was for each of these purchases. The statement that I received from the broker does list all of the purchases with purchase dates, but it doesn't say anything about the grant date. FWIW, all of the stock purchased in this plan resulted in gains. - In the second ESPP plan, I had transferred the shares to a regular brokerage. I do have records of all the purchases made, but I didn't receive a 1099 saying it was ESPP stock that I sold. I assume that I must still report it as ESPP. Is my assumption correct? Like the previous case, I don't have information about the grant date. But for this one, all of the stock purchased resulted in losses. - If I reinvested dividends received from these stocks, then are those to be reported as part of the ESPP? Thanks for any help with this. Anoop << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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