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| Seth Breidbart wrote: - quote - > I would contend that a full calendar year without any
I believe the matter would turn on the totality of the> consulting means that the existing consulting business has > ended. (I'm not claiming that such a break is a > requirement, merely that it suffices.) "facts and circumstances." Although passage of time might be an important factor, I doubt it would be controlling without other objective evidence that the business had been terminated or abandoned. After all, the one year of inactivity could have simply resulted from no work coming in the door. MTW << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Seth Breidbart wrote: - quote - > > However, once chosen, won't the accrual method stick?
Agree.> For how long? For instance: someone is a consultant in > 2004-2005, then gets a full-time job. He works only at that > job (no more consulting) for several years, and stating in > 2008 does consulting again. Is that consulting considered > the same business, and therefore the election sticks? > I would contend that a full calendar year without any > consulting means that the existing consulting business has > ended. (I'm not claiming that such a break is a > requirement, merely that it suffices.) HL << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| [Consulting business] - quote - > However, once chosen, won't the accrual method stick?
For how long? For instance: someone is a consultant in2004-2005, then gets a full-time job. He works only at that job (no more consulting) for several years, and stating in 2008 does consulting again. Is that consulting considered the same business, and therefore the election sticks? I would contend that a full calendar year without any consulting means that the existing consulting business has ended. (I'm not claiming that such a break is a requirement, merely that it suffices.) Seth << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Thomas Healy wrote: - quote - > "davidspierce99[at]yahoo.com" <davidspierce99[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
Always good advice, thelast paragraph of course.> > Due to personal circumsatnces I did not work for the first 9 > > months of 2004. I managed to pick up some consulting work > > for the final 11 weeks of 2004 - and naively thought the > > income that I would receive for these 11 weeks of service > > would largely be "tax free", as I could offset against my > > crazy Californian mortgage interest payments, property taxes > > etc. > > > Lo and behold, when I received the 1099-MISC, I notice that > > only the first 5 weeks of my earnings were recorded, as > > opposed to the 11 that I had expected. After a little bit of > > investigation, I now understand that the company issuing the > > 1099-MISC uses the dates the checks are cut, as opposed to > > the dates that I delivered my services, in order to > > determine which tax year a payment falls into. > > > Bottom line is that with only 5 weeks of earnings in 2004, > > I'm left with a sizeable tax deduction that I'm unable to > > claim, and an opportunity that will be lost as I hope to > > work a full year in 2005. > > > I realize now that I should have been more aware, but is > > there anything I can do at this stage? > Since it appears that this is your first year in business as > a consultant, you actually can choose to operate on the > accrual method of accounting (most people prefer the cash > method, because it defers income to the next year). In your > case, it might be preferable to take the income in 2004 > instead of 2005 because of your unique circumstance. The IRS > doesn't care if you report more income (or less) than is > shown on 1099's, as long as you can support the differences; > choosing accrual accounting would be one of those > differences. > You need to consider, though, that the consulting income > will be subject to self-employment tax, and that could > increase your 2004 total tax liability. Though it would > reduce your 2005 liability accordingly. > I'd recommend talking with a local tax pro to sort out the > choices you have. However, once chosen, won't the accrual method stick? ChEAr$, Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA Thu 10 Feb 2005 << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| On what dates did you receive the checks? You are most likely a cash-method taxpayer, which means that you don't have income until you either actually or constructively receive payment - generally not until the check is sent to you. If you received payment for the work in 2004, then it's 2004 income; if you received payment for the work in 2005, then it's 2005 income. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "davidspierce99[at]yahoo.com" <davidspierce99[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > Due to personal circumsatnces I did not work for the first 9
You report what you received, not what the 1099 shows.> months of 2004. I managed to pick up some consulting work > for the final 11 weeks of 2004 - and naively thought the > income that I would receive for these 11 weeks of service > would largely be "tax free", as I could offset against my > crazy Californian mortgage interest payments, property taxes > etc. > Lo and behold, when I received the 1099-MISC, I notice that > only the first 5 weeks of my earnings were recorded, as > opposed to the 11 that I had expected. After a little bit of > investigation, I now understand that the company issuing the > 1099-MISC uses the dates the checks are cut, as opposed to > the dates that I delivered my services, in order to > determine which tax year a payment falls into. > Bottom line is that with only 5 weeks of earnings in 2004, > I'm left with a sizeable tax deduction that I'm unable to > claim, and an opportunity that will be lost as I hope to > work a full year in 2005. > I realize now that I should have been more aware, but is > there anything I can do at this stage? -- David M. Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU Woods Financial Services Norwood, MA 02062 www.woods-financial.com << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| davidspierce99[at]yahoo.com wrote: - quote - > Due to personal circumsatnces I did not work for the first 9
Assuming the 1099 reflects the total actually PAID you> months of 2004. I managed to pick up some consulting work > for the final 11 weeks of 2004 - and naively thought the > income that I would receive for these 11 weeks of service > would largely be "tax free", as I could offset against my > crazy Californian mortgage interest payments, property taxes > etc. > Lo and behold, when I received the 1099-MISC, I notice that > only the first 5 weeks of my earnings were recorded, as > opposed to the 11 that I had expected. After a little bit of > investigation, I now understand that the company issuing the > 1099-MISC uses the dates the checks are cut, as opposed to > the dates that I delivered my services, in order to > determine which tax year a payment falls into. > Bottom line is that with only 5 weeks of earnings in 2004, > I'm left with a sizeable tax deduction that I'm unable to > claim, and an opportunity that will be lost as I hope to > work a full year in 2005. > I realize now that I should have been more aware, but is > there anything I can do at this stage? during the tax year 2004, nothing you can do. In short, we are taxed on income actually received during the year, and not on the basis of work done. ChEAr$, Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "davidspierce99[at]yahoo.com" <davidspierce99[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > Due to personal circumsatnces I did not work for the first 9
Since it appears that this is your first year in business as> months of 2004. I managed to pick up some consulting work > for the final 11 weeks of 2004 - and naively thought the > income that I would receive for these 11 weeks of service > would largely be "tax free", as I could offset against my > crazy Californian mortgage interest payments, property taxes > etc. > Lo and behold, when I received the 1099-MISC, I notice that > only the first 5 weeks of my earnings were recorded, as > opposed to the 11 that I had expected. After a little bit of > investigation, I now understand that the company issuing the > 1099-MISC uses the dates the checks are cut, as opposed to > the dates that I delivered my services, in order to > determine which tax year a payment falls into. > Bottom line is that with only 5 weeks of earnings in 2004, > I'm left with a sizeable tax deduction that I'm unable to > claim, and an opportunity that will be lost as I hope to > work a full year in 2005. > I realize now that I should have been more aware, but is > there anything I can do at this stage? a consultant, you actually can choose to operate on the accrual method of accounting (most people prefer the cash method, because it defers income to the next year). In your case, it might be preferable to take the income in 2004 instead of 2005 because of your unique circumstance. The IRS doesn't care if you report more income (or less) than is shown on 1099's, as long as you can support the differences; choosing accrual accounting would be one of those differences. You need to consider, though, that the consulting income will be subject to self-employment tax, and that could increase your 2004 total tax liability. Though it would reduce your 2005 liability accordingly. I'd recommend talking with a local tax pro to sort out the choices you have. -- Tom Healy, CPA Boulder, CO Web: http://www.tomhealycpa.com << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| <davidspierce99[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > Due to personal circumsatnces I did not work for the first 9
Nope. You can be happy that you'll pay less self-employment> months of 2004. I managed to pick up some consulting work > for the final 11 weeks of 2004 - and naively thought the > income that I would receive for these 11 weeks of service > would largely be "tax free", as I could offset against my > crazy Californian mortgage interest payments, property taxes > etc. > Lo and behold, when I received the 1099-MISC, I notice that > only the first 5 weeks of my earnings were recorded, as > opposed to the 11 that I had expected. After a little bit of > investigation, I now understand that the company issuing the > 1099-MISC uses the dates the checks are cut, as opposed to > the dates that I delivered my services, in order to > determine which tax year a payment falls into. > Bottom line is that with only 5 weeks of earnings in 2004, > I'm left with a sizeable tax deduction that I'm unable to > claim, and an opportunity that will be lost as I hope to > work a full year in 2005. > I realize now that I should have been more aware, but is > there anything I can do at this stage? tax, which isn't affected by itemized deductions, than you thought you'd pay. -- Phil Marti Clarksburg, MD << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Due to personal circumsatnces I did not work for the first 9 months of 2004. I managed to pick up some consulting work for the final 11 weeks of 2004 - and naively thought the income that I would receive for these 11 weeks of service would largely be "tax free", as I could offset against my crazy Californian mortgage interest payments, property taxes etc. Lo and behold, when I received the 1099-MISC, I notice that only the first 5 weeks of my earnings were recorded, as opposed to the 11 that I had expected. After a little bit of investigation, I now understand that the company issuing the 1099-MISC uses the dates the checks are cut, as opposed to the dates that I delivered my services, in order to determine which tax year a payment falls into. Bottom line is that with only 5 weeks of earnings in 2004, I'm left with a sizeable tax deduction that I'm unable to claim, and an opportunity that will be lost as I hope to work a full year in 2005. I realize now that I should have been more aware, but is there anything I can do at this stage? Thanks. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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