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May well be. In fact a court could find that the act of> > > personal vehicle accidents are covered for casualty loss. > > > However, the case I'm checking for involved an accident > > > where the driver fell asleep at the wheel. The exact > > > wording says that willful acts or willful negligence are not > > > covered. Is falling asleep at the wheel considered willful > > > negligence? > > One could certainly argue this one, but most everybody I > > know would agree that it IS willful negligence. It's > > something that any prudent person would not do and could > > have been avoided by willful attention. > Suppose he drank a cup of coffee before starting to drive, > in order to stay awake. Would you still claim his falling > asleep was willful? drinking coffee showed that he knew there was a good chance of falling asleep. So while he may not have intended to fall asleep, and in fact wanted to stay awake, he might have been grossly negligent. Stu << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| - quote - > > According to what I'm reading in the IRS publications,
Suppose he drank a cup of coffee before starting to drive,> > personal vehicle accidents are covered for casualty loss. > > However, the case I'm checking for involved an accident > > where the driver fell asleep at the wheel. The exact > > wording says that willful acts or willful negligence are not > > covered. Is falling asleep at the wheel considered willful > > negligence? > One could certainly argue this one, but most everybody I > know would agree that it IS willful negligence. It's > something that any prudent person would not do and could > have been avoided by willful attention. in order to stay awake. Would you still claim his falling asleep was willful? Seth << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| William Brenner wrote: - quote - > I believe it to be unlikely that the driver ~willfully~ fell
Courts also often include "gross negligence" within the> asleep at the wheel. According to my dictionary, "willful" > means "Done deliberately: Intentional". ambit of what is wilful. Gross negligence is defined as not deliberately causing an effect but acting with gross disregard to the fact that it is very likely to happen. So if someone got very drunk and then tried to drive home quickly because he knew he was likely to fall asleep soon, and then fell asleep too soon, that could well be gross negligence and treated the same as intentional. Stu << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| <kc_wallace[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > ...
It sure easily can be in negligent homicide cases, but there> The exact wording says that willful acts or > willful negligence are not covered. Is falling > asleep at the wheel considered willful negligence? a jury may feel compelled to blame somebody for a random citizen's death, and mere circumstantial evidence of probable driver fatigue plus some other facts may convict. However, in a civil tax case, the IRS winds up with the effective burden of proof that a less serious accident was due to willful negligence, rather than ordinary negligence. I could not find any Tax Court decision where even the narrower civil law distinction was argued on any kind of casualty loss. The distinction between ordinary and willful negligence may be narrower yet in a tax case, because the Reg Section involved here, 1.165-7(a)(3), specifically allows for a loss in auto accidents where the driver/taxpayer is at fault. Fred F. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| kc_wallace[at]yahoo.com wrote: - quote - > According to what I'm reading in the IRS publications,
State (non-tax) law question, but I would say probably not.> personal vehicle accidents are covered for casualty loss. > However, the case I'm checking for involved an accident > where the driver fell asleep at the wheel. The exact > wording says that willful acts or willful negligence are not > covered. Is falling asleep at the wheel considered willful > negligence? << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| kc_wallace[at]yahoo.com wrote: - quote - > According to what I'm reading in the IRS publications,
One could certainly argue this one, but most everybody I> personal vehicle accidents are covered for casualty loss. > However, the case I'm checking for involved an accident > where the driver fell asleep at the wheel. The exact > wording says that willful acts or willful negligence are not > covered. Is falling asleep at the wheel considered willful > negligence? know would agree that it IS willful negligence. It's something that any prudent person would not do and could have been avoided by willful attention. ChEAr$, Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA Mon 7 Feb 2005 << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| I believe it to be unlikely that the driver ~willfully~ fell asleep at the wheel. According to my dictionary, "willful" means "Done deliberately: Intentional". << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Insurance generally becomes invalid in a "willful act". If a court supports denial of insurance, than that is a strong sign. Less than that is indeterminate. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "kc_wallace[at]yahoo.com" <kc_wallace[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > According to what I'm reading in the IRS publications,
This is referring to YOUR willful acts, not someone else's.> personal vehicle accidents are covered for casualty loss. > However, the case I'm checking for involved an accident > where the driver fell asleep at the wheel. The exact > wording says that willful acts or willful negligence are not > covered. Is falling asleep at the wheel considered willful > negligence? You should first try to recover from the driver's insurance company (if he's insured) or your own uninsured drivers coverage if you have any. That's because you have to cross two hurdles to get a tax benefit: 1) the first $100 is on you anyway; 2) then next 10% of your income is also on you. -- Tom Healy, CPA Boulder, CO Web: http://www.tomhealycpa.com << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| kc_wallace[at]yahoo.com wrote: - quote - > According to what I'm reading in the IRS publications,
In general no. But it depends on why he fell asleep. If it> personal vehicle accidents are covered for casualty loss. > However, the case I'm checking for involved an accident > where the driver fell asleep at the wheel. The exact > wording says that willful acts or willful negligence are not > covered. Is falling asleep at the wheel considered willful > negligence? was because he was drunk or drugged (voluntarily) they might consider it wilful. Stu << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| According to what I'm reading in the IRS publications, personal vehicle accidents are covered for casualty loss. However, the case I'm checking for involved an accident where the driver fell asleep at the wheel. The exact wording says that willful acts or willful negligence are not covered. Is falling asleep at the wheel considered willful negligence? << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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