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| Jay wrote: - quote - > Up through 2003 I had an MSA. At the start of 2004, the plan
True. California doesn't recognize HSAs.> administrator planned to roll it over to an HSA. That was ok > for me because a change of employment status made me > ineligible to contribute any more into the MSA. > But I live in California, which does not conform with the > federal HSA plan (though it conforms for MSAs). So > California wants to tax the rollover as a non-qualified MSA > distribution on the state return (ref.: FTB form 3805P > instructions, page 3). Ouch! - quote - > Consider the following (re-)characterization of the
Too late now, as you've already done it. I would have> MSA-to-HSA transition. Assuming the plan administrator goes > along, is there anything improper about it? Anything > disadvantageous to me? The main idea is that (AFAIK) it's ok > to have an MSA and an HSA at the same time, so let them > overlap for the first months of '04. Specifically: > * On 1-1-04, rolled over ten dollars (a token amount) from > MSA to HSA. This establishes the HSA for the entire year, > allowing the maximum annual contribution to the HSA. The > rolled-over amount is tiny so the extra state tax is tiny. opened the HSA with the first contribution payment and left the MSA alone. Your plan administrator should have been aware of your problem with your state of residence and not forced the conversion. - quote - > * HSA remained in existence throughout '04 and forward into
Another fine example of how California screws its people.> the future. All '04 contributions went into the HSA. > * MSA remained in existence on 1-1-04, but no further > contributions were made into it. > * Starting 1-1-04, medical expenses were paid from the MSA. > This continued until the MSA was paid down to zero > (September '04). Then the MSA shuts down. > * Once the MSA shuts down, further medical expenses were > paid from the HSA. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Up through 2003 I had an MSA. At the start of 2004, the plan administrator planned to roll it over to an HSA. That was ok for me because a change of employment status made me ineligible to contribute any more into the MSA. But I live in California, which does not conform with the federal HSA plan (though it conforms for MSAs). So California wants to tax the rollover as a non-qualified MSA distribution on the state return (ref.: FTB form 3805P instructions, page 3). Ouch! Consider the following (re-)characterization of the MSA-to-HSA transition. Assuming the plan administrator goes along, is there anything improper about it? Anything disadvantageous to me? The main idea is that (AFAIK) it's ok to have an MSA and an HSA at the same time, so let them overlap for the first months of '04. Specifically: * On 1-1-04, rolled over ten dollars (a token amount) from MSA to HSA. This establishes the HSA for the entire year, allowing the maximum annual contribution to the HSA. The rolled-over amount is tiny so the extra state tax is tiny. * HSA remained in existence throughout '04 and forward into the future. All '04 contributions went into the HSA. * MSA remained in existence on 1-1-04, but no further contributions were made into it. * Starting 1-1-04, medical expenses were paid from the MSA. This continued until the MSA was paid down to zero (September '04). Then the MSA shuts down. * Once the MSA shuts down, further medical expenses were paid from the HSA. Thanks for your ideas. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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