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The Department of Homeland Security?> Hamilton who was Secretary of the Treasury. > But what was department to which these > collectors reported before the IRS was > created? No, I guess not. According to the act of Congress that established the Treasury Department [see URL below], tax (revenue) collection and accountancy appears to have been the responsibility of multiple departments within Treasury. http://www.thecre.com/fedlaw/legal1/act-congress.htm Bill << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Dick Adams wrote: - quote - > A relative of mine called me about a recipe for Maple Wine
Strictly from a small cell in my brain that has still> (that's a story for another time) and asked me how much she > was allowed to make a year without registering somewhere. > I told her "At the price of maple syrup, more than you can > afford." But the answer is 100 gallons per adult with a > maximum of 200 gallons per household. > Afterwards I was thinking about this. Alcohol taxes are > part of the IRC. But the Whiskey Tax came in 1791 and the > IRS was not formed until the War of Northern Aggression. > There were Tax Collectors in 1791 and they were treated as > badly as King John's Men in Robin Hood. At least one was > tarred and feathered and another had his house burned down > in the middle of a shoot out. These acts were part of the > Whiskey Rebellion which Washington himself rode out with a > militia to quash. > These collectors had to work for Alexander Hamilton who was > Secretary of the Treasury. But what was department to which > these collectors reported before the IRS was created? retained a bit of knowledge from AH 101: Federal excise taxes were collected by the local county tax collector. The county remitted the funds to Uncle Sam. -- Alan http://taxtopics.net << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| - quote - > These collectors had to work for Alexander Hamilton who was
perhaps things were not so bureaucratic that they didn't> Secretary of the Treasury. But what was department to which > these collectors reported before the IRS was created? need departments or bureaus? << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Dick Adams wrote: - quote - > A relative of mine called me about a recipe for Maple Wine
Even if they were not called the internal revenue service> (that's a story for another time) and asked me how much she > was allowed to make a year without registering somewhere. > I told her "At the price of maple syrup, more than you can > afford." But the answer is 100 gallons per adult with a > maximum of 200 gallons per household. > Afterwards I was thinking about this. Alcohol taxes are > part of the IRC. But the Whiskey Tax came in 1791 and the > IRS was not formed until the War of Northern Aggression. > There were Tax Collectors in 1791 and they were treated as > badly as King John's Men in Robin Hood. At least one was > tarred and feathered and another had his house burned down > in the middle of a shoot out. These acts were part of the > Whiskey Rebellion which Washington himself rode out with a > militia to quash. > These collectors had to work for Alexander Hamilton who was > Secretary of the Treasury. But what was department to which > these collectors reported before the IRS was created? there had to be some organization that existed for the entire history of our beloved country. The treasury existed for this entire time and they also collected import duties. There were folks who collected that. To find out more I suggest that you you read the Congressional Record. As an undergraduate I remember reading some interesting accountings from Indian Agents back then. Maybe someone has digitized the whole mess. That would make the search easier. I know the CSA Constitution(s) are on the web. -- Frederick E. Jorden http://Tax-Accounting-Payroll.com 7825 Midlothian Tpk - 207 Richmond, VA 23235-5247 EMAIL knowtax[at]bigfoot.com (804) 320-6210 FAX (804) 320-6211 << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Dick Adams wrote: - quote - > Afterwards I was thinking about this. Alcohol taxes are > part of the IRC. But the Whiskey Tax came in 1791 and the > IRS was not formed until the War of Northern Aggression. > There were Tax Collectors in 1791 and they were treated as > badly as King John's Men in Robin Hood. At least one was > tarred and feathered and another had his house burned down > in the middle of a shoot out. These acts were part of the > Whiskey Rebellion which Washington himself rode out with a > militia to quash. > These collectors had to work for Alexander Hamilton who was > Secretary of the Treasury. But what was department to which > these collectors reported before the IRS was created? Revolution and for a while after: colonies make voluntary "contributions" - bad system, the Feds go broke 1787 - constitutional convention 1789 - feds have power to tax tried to make due with external taxes (customs duties, etc.) 1791 - 1st internal taxes - distilled spirits, tobacco later years: crrriages, suff, sugar refining, ... 1798 - property tax adopted Administration 1791 - delegated to Treasury dept, established 14 revenue districts, each headed by a "supervisor of revenue" apptd by the president and operating under the direction of an assistant secretary of the Treasury. That secretary became known as "Commissioner of the Revenue" Jefferson became president, dismantled the entire system, abolishing all internal taxes. Lasted for 10 years. 1812 War (remember, these were days when we paid our bills) Revived "Commissioner of the revenue" and some excise taxes. After the war, revert to external source taxes Civil War: July 1 1862 Congress creates position "Tax Collector" in the Treasury dept, to be know as the Commissioner of Internal Revenue. Up to 182 collection districts, President appts collector as assor for each. Income tax created, 3% to 5% and incomes > $600. Staff was the "Bureau of Internal Revenue" 1870 Progressive rates abandoned, inheritance tax repealed. 1872 (an election year) income tax repealed Next 41 years taxes were tariff and excise. Taxes were used to regulate business. 1886 tax on sale of oleomargarine, for example. Amusingly - the tax didn't restrict production, instead it raised a lot of revenue as production increased. Bureau of Revenue inspected oleomargarine factories, analysed samples of oleo.. and butter in its labs. 1894 Congress passes new income tax 1895 Supreme Court declares income tax unconstitutional 1913 Constitutional amendment reviving income tax 1914 January 5 Bureau of Revenue issues form 1040 1919 Bureau of Revenue creates Intelligence Division (that later got Al Capone and other for tax evasion) 1919 18th amend. passes, Bureau given the job of enforcing prohibition. BY 1925 3700 employees working alcohol and naroctics enforcement. Bureau gets new hdq. as Federal Triangle is built. Design inspired by Somerset house - home of Britian's tax collection agency. .......... For the complete article, see "A Historical Guide to the U.S. Government", George T. Kaurian ed., Oxford, 1998. dick w << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| A relative of mine called me about a recipe for Maple Wine (that's a story for another time) and asked me how much she was allowed to make a year without registering somewhere. I told her "At the price of maple syrup, more than you can afford." But the answer is 100 gallons per adult with a maximum of 200 gallons per household. Afterwards I was thinking about this. Alcohol taxes are part of the IRC. But the Whiskey Tax came in 1791 and the IRS was not formed until the War of Northern Aggression. There were Tax Collectors in 1791 and they were treated as badly as King John's Men in Robin Hood. At least one was tarred and feathered and another had his house burned down in the middle of a shoot out. These acts were part of the Whiskey Rebellion which Washington himself rode out with a militia to quash. These collectors had to work for Alexander Hamilton who was Secretary of the Treasury. But what was department to which these collectors reported before the IRS was created? Dick << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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