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| Paul A Thomas wrote: - quote - > "ge" <e_c_l_e_s[at]a-znet.com> wrote
It is my understanding that recording this year> > OK, I'll do that. But, it raises a couple of questions: > > > 1. In a 'normal' situation - where we pay the provider, and are > > reimbursed by our insurance in the same year - should the > > reimbursement be applied to reduce the deductible expense, or > > as 'other income'? I had thought, the former. > Reimbursements received within the year would work to reduce > your current year expense. The only reason I see for a Line > 21 entry is in case you didn't itemize in year 2, but > received a reimbursement from a year 1 expense that you did > deduct. reimbursements (of prior years expense) as income is dependent only on the prior years expense having been claimed as a deduction. Itemizing, or not, in year 2 is not a consideration. There is usually a worksheet for this in the 1040 instructions. dick w << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| ge wrote: - quote - > Paul A Thomas" <taxman[at]negia.net> wrote:
Doing "that", trading a deduction in one year for income in> > "ge" <e_c_l_e_s[at]a-znet.com> wrote > > > In December, we paid a medical bill (COD, more or less). > > > Now, in Jan '05, we were reimbursed by our insurance. For > > > '04, we will be itemizing (we have substantial medical > > > expenses). For '05, we have some expectation that we won't > > > itemize. If it matters, we have an HSA for '05, and expect > > > our (covered) medical expenses to exceed the deductible, and > > > to have additional uncovered expenses. > > > > > WRT that one bill (paid in '04, reimbursed in '05): As far > > > as I can tell, we can claim that as a medical expense on our > > > '04 return (?). If we did that, I assume we'd have to add it > > > in somewhere on our '05 return, but I don't see where. > > > Would it just be 'other income'? > > Yes, Line 21 as "Other Income". > OK, I'll do that. But, it raises a couple of questions: the following year, is generally a bad idea. Another deduction for 2004 reduces your taxes at the effective tax rate after all other deductions, adding to your AGI in 2005 is taxed at your highest effective rate. And increasing your AGI increases a number of limits, etc. Anyones coming out ahead on such a trade is often dependent on the following year's income/deductions/... being radically different from the 1st year's. Calculate your taxes for 2004 and estimated 2005 two ways (BEFORE filing your 2004 return!): 1st, with the additional deduction in 2004 and income in 2005. 2nd without the additional deduction in 2004 and without the additional income in 2005 (since in this case the reimbursement is not for a deduction claimed, it is not taxable). Then make a choice as to what you want to file. You need to do the math to understand your particular case. Even if the amount involved is small, do the math - seeing the numbers, learning the principals, will apply year after year. btw, you wrote "expect our (covered) medical expenses to exceed the deductible". I've no idea what you are saying - medical expense that you are reimbursed for has, to the best of my non-professional knowledge, nothing to do with deductable limits. dick w << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "ge" <e_c_l_e_s[at]a-znet.com> wrote - quote - > OK, I'll do that. But, it raises a couple of questions:
Reimbursements received within the year would work to reduce> 1. In a 'normal' situation - where we pay the provider, and are > reimbursed by our insurance in the same year - should the > reimbursement be applied to reduce the deductible expense, or > as 'other income'? I had thought, the former. your current year expense. The only reason I see for a Line 21 entry is in case you didn't itemize in year 2, but received a reimbursement from a year 1 expense that you did deduct. - quote - > 2. Shouldn't we get a 1099 or something?
Nope.- quote - > We keep good track of these things, but it's a lot of effort.
It happens often I'm sure.> It seems like you could take the deduction for the expense, > and then just 'forget' to count the reimbursement as income. -- Paul A. Thomas, CPA Athens, Georgia taxman at negia.net << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Paul A Thomas" <taxman[at]negia.net> wrote: - quote - > "ge" <e_c_l_e_s[at]a-znet.com> wrote
OK, I'll do that. But, it raises a couple of questions:> > In December, we paid a medical bill (COD, more or less). > > Now, in Jan '05, we were reimbursed by our insurance. For > > '04, we will be itemizing (we have substantial medical > > expenses). For '05, we have some expectation that we won't > > itemize. If it matters, we have an HSA for '05, and expect > > our (covered) medical expenses to exceed the deductible, and > > to have additional uncovered expenses. > > > WRT that one bill (paid in '04, reimbursed in '05): As far > > as I can tell, we can claim that as a medical expense on our > > '04 return (?). If we did that, I assume we'd have to add it > > in somewhere on our '05 return, but I don't see where. > > Would it just be 'other income'? > Yes, Line 21 as "Other Income". 1. In a 'normal' situation - where we pay the provider, and are reimbursed by our insurance in the same year - should the reimbursement be applied to reduce the deductible expense, or as 'other income'? I had thought, the former. 2. Shouldn't we get a 1099 or something? We keep good track of these things, but it's a lot of effort. It seems like you could take the deduction for the expense, and then just 'forget' to count the reimbursement as income. Thanks, George << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| ge wrote: - quote - > In December, we paid a medical bill (COD, more or less).
Yes. The misc/other income line.> Now, in Jan '05, we were reimbursed by our insurance. For > '04, we will be itemizing (we have substantial medical > expenses). For '05, we have some expectation that we won't > itemize. If it matters, we have an HSA for '05, and expect > our (covered) medical expenses to exceed the deductible, and > to have additional uncovered expenses. > WRT that one bill (paid in '04, reimbursed in '05): As far > as I can tell, we can claim that as a medical expense on our > '04 return (?). If we did that, I assume we'd have to add it > in somewhere on our '05 return, but I don't see where. > Would it just be 'other income'? << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "ge" <e_c_l_e_s[at]a-znet.com> wrote - quote - > In December, we paid a medical bill (COD, more or less).
Yes, Line 21 as "Other Income".> Now, in Jan '05, we were reimbursed by our insurance. For > '04, we will be itemizing (we have substantial medical > expenses). For '05, we have some expectation that we won't > itemize. If it matters, we have an HSA for '05, and expect > our (covered) medical expenses to exceed the deductible, and > to have additional uncovered expenses. > WRT that one bill (paid in '04, reimbursed in '05): As far > as I can tell, we can claim that as a medical expense on our > '04 return (?). If we did that, I assume we'd have to add it > in somewhere on our '05 return, but I don't see where. > Would it just be 'other income'? -- Paul A. Thomas, CPA Athens, Georgia taxman at negia.net << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| In December, we paid a medical bill (COD, more or less). Now, in Jan '05, we were reimbursed by our insurance. For '04, we will be itemizing (we have substantial medical expenses). For '05, we have some expectation that we won't itemize. If it matters, we have an HSA for '05, and expect our (covered) medical expenses to exceed the deductible, and to have additional uncovered expenses. WRT that one bill (paid in '04, reimbursed in '05): As far as I can tell, we can claim that as a medical expense on our '04 return (?). If we did that, I assume we'd have to add it in somewhere on our '05 return, but I don't see where. Would it just be 'other income'? TIA, George << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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