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| - quote - > > Inherited securities are always "long term".
Doesn't matter, that is what the law says.> Why? What if the total ownership time is short term? << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Seth Breidbart wrote: - quote - > > Inherited securities are always "long term".
Because that's the law;-) See p. 110 of Publication 17.> Why? What if the total ownership time is short term? Note that this only applies if you receive the actual or brokerage securities. It does not apply if the estate executor (or probate court) liquidated the securities you were given in a will and gave you the proceeds. - RM << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| sethb[at]panix.com (Seth Breidbart) writes: - quote - > > Inherited securities are always "long term".
Because the IRC (and hence Congress) said so.> Why? - quote - > What if the total ownership time is short term?
Still long-term.See IRS Pub 550. -- Rich Carreiro rlcarr[at]animato.arlington.ma.us << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| - quote - > > Inherited securities are always "long term".
IRC Sec. 1223 makes it so.> Why? What if the total ownership time is short term? -- Alan http://taxtopics.net << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Seth Breidbart" <sethb[at]panix.com> wrote: - quote - > > Inherited securities are always "long term".
Why? How about BECAUSE THE LAW SAYS SO???> Why? What if the total ownership time is short term? -- David M. Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU Woods Financial Services Norwood, MA 02062 www.woods-financial.com << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| - quote - > Inherited securities are always "long term".
Why? What if the total ownership time is short term?Seth << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Thanks for the responses. I appreciate it. "Herb Smith" <smithff33[at]aol.com> wrote: - quote - > Harry wrote: > > My mother had left her investment portfolio in a trust for > > me after she had died and the term of the trust ended this > > past Spring on, say, 5/1. Through delays and foot-dragging > > by the broker, I finally got the investment account > > transfered into my name and then transfered to a different > > broker (hence, the foot-dragging). Let's say that took > > place on 12/1. On 12/23, the securities were sold for > > different mutual funds and there was an increase in value > > since 12/1. So, here are my questions: > > > 1.) Am I responsible for the capital gains since just 12/1 > > when the account was transfered to me or would I owe back to > > 5/1? > When the securities were transferred to the testamentary > trust their "cost basis" was adjusted to the FMV on date of > death. I don't know how long ago your mother died, but that > is also your cost basis for capital gain calculations. > > 2.) Assuming that 12/1 is the magic date, would I owe > > long-term capital gains or short-term? Since the securities > > were bought years ago and they were transfered vs. sold to > > me, I would think that I would get hit for long-term capital > > gains. > Inherited securities are always "long term". Your "magic > date" for cost basis is the date of the decedent's death, so > it they did well in the interim (in the trust), you may have > a larger capital gains bill than you are expecting. > > Any thoughts? Also, if there is somewhere I could read up > > on this, please let me know. It's been kind of tough to > > track down. > Try Pub 550 at http://www.irs.gov << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Harry" <HikinHarry![at]hotmail.com> wrote: - quote - > My mother had left her investment portfolio in a trust for
Try IRS publication 551, "Basis of assets" and 559 "tax> me after she had died and the term of the trust ended this > past Spring on, say, 5/1. Through delays and foot-dragging > by the broker, I finally got the investment account > transfered into my name and then transfered to a different > broker (hence, the foot-dragging). Let's say that took > place on 12/1. On 12/23, the securities were sold for > different mutual funds and there was an increase in value > since 12/1. So, here are my questions: > 1.) Am I responsible for the capital gains since just 12/1 > when the account was transfered to me or would I owe back to > 5/1? > 2.) Assuming that 12/1 is the magic date, would I owe > long-term capital gains or short-term? Since the securities > were bought years ago and they were transfered vs. sold to > me, I would think that I would get hit for long-term capital > gains. > Any thoughts? Also, if there is somewhere I could read up > on this, please let me know. It's been kind of tough to > track down. guide for survivors" at http://www.irs.ustreas.gov/formspubs/index.html You compute a capital gain by subtracting the "adjusted basis" (AB) of an asset and the expenses of sale from the selling price. An asset received when a trust dissolves usually has the same AB as it had while in the trust (there is an exception if the trustee elected to recognize gain on the transfer -- ask the trustee.) For securities purchased by the trust, AB is cost (adjusted for any splits, spinoffs, etc.) If mom transfered securities to an existing, irrevocable trust for you as gifts while she was alive, the AB is her original cost. Most likely from your question, the trust was either a "living trust" that she controlled while alive, or it was created and funded at her death. In this last case, the AB of securities = fair market value at the date of her death (as adjusted for subsequent splits, spinoffs, etc.) That's the "magic date" for measuring the gains and losses on which you would owe tax, and any such gain or loss will be treated as long term. Bob Daniels http://taxprofessor.blogspot.com ("And remember, you can't rely on free advice." - 'G) << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Harry wrote: - quote - > My mother had left her investment portfolio in a trust for
When the securities were transferred to the testamentary> me after she had died and the term of the trust ended this > past Spring on, say, 5/1. Through delays and foot-dragging > by the broker, I finally got the investment account > transfered into my name and then transfered to a different > broker (hence, the foot-dragging). Let's say that took > place on 12/1. On 12/23, the securities were sold for > different mutual funds and there was an increase in value > since 12/1. So, here are my questions: > 1.) Am I responsible for the capital gains since just 12/1 > when the account was transfered to me or would I owe back to > 5/1? trust their "cost basis" was adjusted to the FMV on date of death. I don't know how long ago your mother died, but that is also your cost basis for capital gain calculations. - quote - > 2.) Assuming that 12/1 is the magic date, would I owe
Inherited securities are always "long term". Your "magic> long-term capital gains or short-term? Since the securities > were bought years ago and they were transfered vs. sold to > me, I would think that I would get hit for long-term capital > gains. date" for cost basis is the date of the decedent's death, so it they did well in the interim (in the trust), you may have a larger capital gains bill than you are expecting. - quote - > Any thoughts? Also, if there is somewhere I could read up
Try Pub 550 at http://www.irs.gov> on this, please let me know. It's been kind of tough to > track down. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| My mother had left her investment portfolio in a trust for me after she had died and the term of the trust ended this past Spring on, say, 5/1. Through delays and foot-dragging by the broker, I finally got the investment account transfered into my name and then transfered to a different broker (hence, the foot-dragging). Let's say that took place on 12/1. On 12/23, the securities were sold for different mutual funds and there was an increase in value since 12/1. So, here are my questions: 1.) Am I responsible for the capital gains since just 12/1 when the account was transfered to me or would I owe back to 5/1? 2.) Assuming that 12/1 is the magic date, would I owe long-term capital gains or short-term? Since the securities were bought years ago and they were transfered vs. sold to me, I would think that I would get hit for long-term capital gains. Any thoughts? Also, if there is somewhere I could read up on this, please let me know. It's been kind of tough to track down. Thanks in advance. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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