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Old 01-14-2005, 10:37 PM
Herb Smith
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> > Inherited securities are always "long term".

> Why? What if the total ownership time is short term?


Doesn't matter, that is what the law says.

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Old 01-14-2005, 10:37 PM
Rick Merrill
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Seth Breidbart wrote:

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> > Inherited securities are always "long term".

> Why? What if the total ownership time is short term?


Because that's the law;-) See p. 110 of Publication 17.

Note that this only applies if you receive the actual
or brokerage securities. It does not apply if the
estate executor (or probate court) liquidated the
securities you were given in a will and gave you
the proceeds. - RM

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Old 01-14-2005, 09:58 PM
Rich Carreiro
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sethb[at]panix.com (Seth Breidbart) writes:

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> > Inherited securities are always "long term".

> Why?


Because the IRC (and hence Congress) said so.

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> What if the total ownership time is short term?

Still long-term.

See IRS Pub 550.

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Old 01-13-2005, 11:33 PM
A.G. Kalman
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Default Re: Inherited Securities and Capital Gains?

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> > Inherited securities are always "long term".

> Why? What if the total ownership time is short term?


IRC Sec. 1223 makes it so.

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Old 01-13-2005, 10:54 PM
David Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU
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"Seth Breidbart" <sethb[at]panix.com> wrote:

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> > Inherited securities are always "long term".

> Why? What if the total ownership time is short term?


Why? How about BECAUSE THE LAW SAYS SO???

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Woods Financial Services
Norwood, MA 02062
www.woods-financial.com

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Old 01-12-2005, 10:34 PM
Seth Breidbart
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Default Re: Inherited Securities and Capital Gains?

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> Inherited securities are always "long term".

Why? What if the total ownership time is short term?

Seth

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Old 01-07-2005, 05:06 PM
Harry
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Thanks for the responses. I appreciate it.

"Herb Smith" <smithff33[at]aol.com> wrote:
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> Harry wrote:

> > My mother had left her investment portfolio in a trust for
> > me after she had died and the term of the trust ended this
> > past Spring on, say, 5/1. Through delays and foot-dragging
> > by the broker, I finally got the investment account
> > transfered into my name and then transfered to a different
> > broker (hence, the foot-dragging). Let's say that took
> > place on 12/1. On 12/23, the securities were sold for
> > different mutual funds and there was an increase in value
> > since 12/1. So, here are my questions:
> > > 1.) Am I responsible for the capital gains since just 12/1

> > when the account was transfered to me or would I owe back to
> > 5/1?


> When the securities were transferred to the testamentary
> trust their "cost basis" was adjusted to the FMV on date of
> death. I don't know how long ago your mother died, but that
> is also your cost basis for capital gain calculations.


> > 2.) Assuming that 12/1 is the magic date, would I owe
> > long-term capital gains or short-term? Since the securities
> > were bought years ago and they were transfered vs. sold to
> > me, I would think that I would get hit for long-term capital
> > gains.


> Inherited securities are always "long term". Your "magic
> date" for cost basis is the date of the decedent's death, so
> it they did well in the interim (in the trust), you may have
> a larger capital gains bill than you are expecting.


> > Any thoughts? Also, if there is somewhere I could read up
> > on this, please let me know. It's been kind of tough to
> > track down.


> Try Pub 550 at http://www.irs.gov



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Old 01-02-2005, 09:41 PM
Robert Daniels
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"Harry" <HikinHarry![at]hotmail.com> wrote:

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> My mother had left her investment portfolio in a trust for
> me after she had died and the term of the trust ended this
> past Spring on, say, 5/1. Through delays and foot-dragging
> by the broker, I finally got the investment account
> transfered into my name and then transfered to a different
> broker (hence, the foot-dragging). Let's say that took
> place on 12/1. On 12/23, the securities were sold for
> different mutual funds and there was an increase in value
> since 12/1. So, here are my questions:
> 1.) Am I responsible for the capital gains since just 12/1
> when the account was transfered to me or would I owe back to
> 5/1?
> 2.) Assuming that 12/1 is the magic date, would I owe
> long-term capital gains or short-term? Since the securities
> were bought years ago and they were transfered vs. sold to
> me, I would think that I would get hit for long-term capital
> gains.
> Any thoughts? Also, if there is somewhere I could read up
> on this, please let me know. It's been kind of tough to
> track down.


Try IRS publication 551, "Basis of assets" and 559 "tax
guide for survivors" at
http://www.irs.ustreas.gov/formspubs/index.html

You compute a capital gain by subtracting the "adjusted
basis" (AB) of an asset and the expenses of sale from the
selling price. An asset received when a trust dissolves
usually has the same AB as it had while in the trust (there
is an exception if the trustee elected to recognize gain on
the transfer -- ask the trustee.)

For securities purchased by the trust, AB is cost (adjusted
for any splits, spinoffs, etc.) If mom transfered securities
to an existing, irrevocable trust for you as gifts while she
was alive, the AB is her original cost.

Most likely from your question, the trust was either a
"living trust" that she controlled while alive, or it was
created and funded at her death. In this last case, the AB
of securities = fair market value at the date of her death
(as adjusted for subsequent splits, spinoffs, etc.) That's
the "magic date" for measuring the gains and losses on which
you would owe tax, and any such gain or loss will be treated
as long term.

Bob Daniels http://taxprofessor.blogspot.com

("And remember, you can't rely on free advice." - 'G)

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Old 01-02-2005, 08:05 PM
Herb Smith
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Harry wrote:

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> My mother had left her investment portfolio in a trust for
> me after she had died and the term of the trust ended this
> past Spring on, say, 5/1. Through delays and foot-dragging
> by the broker, I finally got the investment account
> transfered into my name and then transfered to a different
> broker (hence, the foot-dragging). Let's say that took
> place on 12/1. On 12/23, the securities were sold for
> different mutual funds and there was an increase in value
> since 12/1. So, here are my questions:
> 1.) Am I responsible for the capital gains since just 12/1
> when the account was transfered to me or would I owe back to
> 5/1?


When the securities were transferred to the testamentary
trust their "cost basis" was adjusted to the FMV on date of
death. I don't know how long ago your mother died, but that
is also your cost basis for capital gain calculations.

- quote -

> 2.) Assuming that 12/1 is the magic date, would I owe
> long-term capital gains or short-term? Since the securities
> were bought years ago and they were transfered vs. sold to
> me, I would think that I would get hit for long-term capital
> gains.


Inherited securities are always "long term". Your "magic
date" for cost basis is the date of the decedent's death, so
it they did well in the interim (in the trust), you may have
a larger capital gains bill than you are expecting.

- quote -

> Any thoughts? Also, if there is somewhere I could read up
> on this, please let me know. It's been kind of tough to
> track down.


Try Pub 550 at http://www.irs.gov

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Old 12-31-2004, 03:27 PM
Harry
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Default Inherited Securities and Capital Gains?

My mother had left her investment portfolio in a trust for
me after she had died and the term of the trust ended this
past Spring on, say, 5/1. Through delays and foot-dragging
by the broker, I finally got the investment account
transfered into my name and then transfered to a different
broker (hence, the foot-dragging). Let's say that took
place on 12/1. On 12/23, the securities were sold for
different mutual funds and there was an increase in value
since 12/1. So, here are my questions:

1.) Am I responsible for the capital gains since just 12/1
when the account was transfered to me or would I owe back to
5/1?

2.) Assuming that 12/1 is the magic date, would I owe
long-term capital gains or short-term? Since the securities
were bought years ago and they were transfered vs. sold to
me, I would think that I would get hit for long-term capital
gains.

Any thoughts? Also, if there is somewhere I could read up
on this, please let me know. It's been kind of tough to
track down.

Thanks in advance.

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