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| <xyzer[at]hotmail.com> wrote: - quote - > This is a simple hypothetical example that I imagine is
I am not a 1031 expert, but it is my understanding that ALL> probably incredibly common. In fact, what made me think of > this is that one of my friends just went through a deal > similar to this and we both wondered what the tax results > would be. His attorney actually told him he wouldn't be > taxed, but I'm not so sure. Anyway, suppose I acquire > property in 1999 for $100 using a mortgage of $90 and $10 of > my own cash. Then, four years later, I engage the property > into a like-kind transaction. The property is sold for $120 > and $80 is sent to payoff the (what was originally) $90 > mortgage. The rest, $40, is sent to escrow. As you > probably just noticed, this example is assuming no > transactions costs to make things more simple. Anyway, so > we're sitting now with $40 in the escrow account. He then > identifies property worth $150 and acquires it by getting a > mortgage of $130 and using $20 of cash from the escrow > account. He then receives $20 cash from escrow. > Here's my reasoning. The $130 mortage for the second > property is considered mortgage boot given, right? It > offsets mortgage boot received associated with the first > property of $80, with $50 left over of mortgage boot given. > But mortgage boot given does not offset cash boot received, > right? So, in general, he's taxed on the $20, correct? Or > no? boot (cash and non-like kind property) received is taxed. Gene E. Utterback, EA << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| <xyzer[at]hotmail.com> wrote: - quote - > This is a simple hypothetical example that I imagine is
I don't think so. Mortgages don't count.> probably incredibly common. In fact, what made me think of > this is that one of my friends just went through a deal > similar to this and we both wondered what the tax results > would be. His attorney actually told him he wouldn't be > taxed, but I'm not so sure. Anyway, suppose I acquire > property in 1999 for $100 using a mortgage of $90 and $10 of > my own cash. Then, four years later, I engage the property > into a like-kind transaction. The property is sold for $120 > and $80 is sent to payoff the (what was originally) $90 > mortgage. The rest, $40, is sent to escrow. As you > probably just noticed, this example is assuming no > transactions costs to make things more simple. Anyway, so > we're sitting now with $40 in the escrow account. He then > identifies property worth $150 and acquires it by getting a > mortgage of $130 and using $20 of cash from the escrow > account. He then receives $20 cash from escrow. > Here's my reasoning. The $130 mortage for the second > property is considered mortgage boot given, right? It > offsets mortgage boot received associated with the first > property of $80, with $50 left over of mortgage boot given. > But mortgage boot given does not offset cash boot received, > right? So, in general, he's taxed on the $20, correct? Or > no? Suppose for the second property he used all $40 and took a $110 mortgage. Then there's no tax. One second later, he took a second mortgage for $20. There's no tax on that, either. Seth << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| - quote - > This is a simple hypothetical example that I imagine is
Assuming there were no imporvements, and the property is> probably incredibly common. In fact, what made me think of > this is that one of my friends just went through a deal > similar to this and we both wondered what the tax results > would be. His attorney actually told him he wouldn't be > taxed, but I'm not so sure. Anyway, suppose I acquire > property in 1999 for $100 using a mortgage of $90 and $10 of > my own cash. Then, four years later, I engage the property > into a like-kind transaction. The property is sold for $120 > and $80 is sent to payoff the (what was originally) $90 > mortgage. The rest, $40, is sent to escrow. As you > probably just noticed, this example is assuming no > transactions costs to make things more simple. Anyway, so > we're sitting now with $40 in the escrow account. He then > identifies property worth $150 and acquires it by getting a > mortgage of $130 and using $20 of cash from the escrow > account. He then receives $20 cash from escrow. > Here's my reasoning. The $130 mortage for the second > property is considered mortgage boot given, right? It > offsets mortgage boot received associated with the first > property of $80, with $50 left over of mortgage boot given. > But mortgage boot given does not offset cash boot received, > right? So, in general, he's taxed on the $20, correct? Or > no? business property, it's basis is $100,000. with adjustments for depreciation allowed/allowable. A properly executed 1031 results in the profit being deferred. Generally, if you exchange business or investment property solely for business or investment property of a like-kind, no gain or loss is recognized under Internal Revenue Code Section 1031. If, as part of the exchange, you also receive other (not like-kind) property or money, gain is recognized to the extent of the other property and money received, but a loss is not recognized. Section 1031 does not apply to exchanges of inventory, stocks, bonds, notes, other securities or evidence of indebtedness, or certain other assets. Like-Kind Property Properties are of like-kind, if they are of the same nature or character, even if they differ in grade or quality. Personal properties of a like class are like-kind properties. However, livestock of different sexes are not like-kind properties. Also, personal property used predominantly in the United States and personal property used predominantly outside the United States are not like-kind properties. Real properties generally are of like-kind, regardless of whether the properties are improved or unimproved. However, real property in the United States and real property outside the United States are not like-kind properties. Additional Resources which you may find at http://www.irs.gov Publication 544, Sales and Other Dispositions of Assets Form 8824, Like-Kind Exchanges (PDF) "Jack" - John H. Fisher - TaxService[at]aol.com Philadelphia, Pa - Atlantic City, NJ - West Wildwood, NJ My Newsgroups & Boards at: http://members.aol.com/TaxService/index.html Where Ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise!= ![]() << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| This is a simple hypothetical example that I imagine is probably incredibly common. In fact, what made me think of this is that one of my friends just went through a deal similar to this and we both wondered what the tax results would be. His attorney actually told him he wouldn't be taxed, but I'm not so sure. Anyway, suppose I acquire property in 1999 for $100 using a mortgage of $90 and $10 of my own cash. Then, four years later, I engage the property into a like-kind transaction. The property is sold for $120 and $80 is sent to payoff the (what was originally) $90 mortgage. The rest, $40, is sent to escrow. As you probably just noticed, this example is assuming no transactions costs to make things more simple. Anyway, so we're sitting now with $40 in the escrow account. He then identifies property worth $150 and acquires it by getting a mortgage of $130 and using $20 of cash from the escrow account. He then receives $20 cash from escrow. Here's my reasoning. The $130 mortage for the second property is considered mortgage boot given, right? It offsets mortgage boot received associated with the first property of $80, with $50 left over of mortgage boot given. But mortgage boot given does not offset cash boot received, right? So, in general, he's taxed on the $20, correct? Or no? << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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