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Old 12-31-2004, 03:46 PM
brownwp@longwood.edu
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Steve_Quinton[at]comcast.net wrote:

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> The employee purchased a home (in May 2004) on the opposite
> side of town (3 miles away) from the C-Corps office. The
> home includes a renovated (barn) outbuilding. Approximately
> 1/2 of the existing finished office space in the barn will
> be used exclusively for the home-office business (1000 sq
> ft) and the remainder for personal storage until such time
> that it may be needed for additional office space.


Since the office is not in same building as the residence,
the exclusive use rule does not apply.

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> I have read the many postings made to this forum regarding
> the Business Use of Home, where the employee/shareholder is
> reimbursed by the S-Corp employer for home office and
> related expenses through an Accountable Reimbursement Plan
> (ARP) under IRC Sec 62(c).
> My questions for this group are:
> 1. Does the fact that this client is a C-Corp instead of an
> S-Corp matter?


No.

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> 3. I plan to recommend that my client exclude mortgage
> interest and real estate taxes from the ARP, since these
> items are subject to their own special limitations and would
> only serve to complicate the employee's 1040 (i.e. mortgage
> interest less than Form 1098 because % of mrtg interest has
> been allocated to and reimbursed by employer under the ARP).
> Is there any problem with this exclusion, since they are
> otherwise deductible on the employee's personal return?


Why? I've never known the IRS to get upset that an itemized
deduction was smaller than the supporting paperwork.

The only problem I see is failing to get money out of the
C-corp in a form that is deductible by the C-corp.

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> 4. The employee will allocate a % of the property's basis as
> the home office and depreciate it over 39 years. The
> employee has indicated that they plan on doing some
> renovations to the home office space. Would they simply
> increase their basis and related depreciation submitted
> under the ARP when this is done?


Yes.

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> 6. Can any proponent of the ARP method confirm my
> understanding that to be in compliance of 280A(c)(5), the
> ARP expenses should not exceed the W-2 wages of the employee
> from C-Corp.


That is my understanding.

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> 7. Under the proposed ARP, a monthly check is paid to the
> employee, who is not required to report the reimbursement on
> his 1040. Is this correct?



That is my understanding.

Good luck.

Regards,
Bill

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Old 12-28-2004, 08:38 PM
Tom Healy
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> I would be interested in this group's opinion on an old
> topic with a new twist. I have an architectural firm C-Corp
> client. The C-Corp rents a 200 sq ft office in a
> professional building on the north side of town for purposes
> of a corporate mailing address and a location for the
> C-Corps records. The C-Corp's office space has a small
> meeting area and allows its employees to use this area to
> meet with clients.
> The C-Corp is wholly owned by a husband and wife, and
> employs the husband as an architect as its sole employee. As
> part of the employee agreement, professional employees (i.e.
> the husband) must maintain a home office "for the
> convenience of the employer" to:
> 1) Increase public exposure to the business
> 2) Store the C-Corps client files assigned to the employee, and
> 3) Perform day-to-day activities, including meeting with
> clients when the home office location is in a more
> convenient proximity to the client.
> The employee purchased a home (in May 2004) on the opposite
> side of town (3 miles away) from the C-Corps office. The
> home includes a renovated (barn) outbuilding. Approximately
> 1/2 of the existing finished office space in the barn will
> be used exclusively for the home-office business (1000 sq
> ft) and the remainder for personal storage until such time
> that it may be needed for additional office space.
> I have read the many postings made to this forum regarding
> the Business Use of Home, where the employee/shareholder is
> reimbursed by the S-Corp employer for home office and
> related expenses through an Accountable Reimbursement Plan
> (ARP) under IRC Sec 62(c).
> My questions for this group are:
> 1. Does the fact that this client is a C-Corp instead of an
> S-Corp matter?


No.

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> 3. I plan to recommend that my client exclude mortgage
> interest and real estate taxes from the ARP, since these
> items are subject to their own special limitations and would
> only serve to complicate the employee's 1040 (i.e. mortgage
> interest less than Form 1098 because % of mrtg interest has
> been allocated to and reimbursed by employer under the ARP).
> Is there any problem with this exclusion, since they are
> otherwise deductible on the employee's personal return?


I do this routinely.

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> 4. The employee will allocate a % of the property's basis as
> the home office and depreciate it over 39 years. The
> employee has indicated that they plan on doing some
> renovations to the home office space. Would they simply
> increase their basis and related depreciation submitted
> under the ARP when this is done?


Yes.

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> 5. Should all expenses covered under the ARP be listed on
> line 22 of the Form 1120, and if so, should the ARP expenses
> be broken down in a detailed line 22 supporting statement
> with the other line 22 expenses, or should they simply be
> grouped as an "office expense" in the line 22 supporting
> statement. My concern is the appearance of a high $ office
> expenses amount relative to the other expenses.


I generally put it all under office expense. In most of my
clients' cases the amount is pretty small. The big advantage
is in being able to deduct much more auto mileage.

- quote -

> 6. Can any proponent of the ARP method confirm my
> understanding that to be in compliance of 280A(c)(5), the
> ARP expenses should not exceed the W-2 wages of the employee
> from C-Corp.


It's not that they "should not" exceed the W-2 wages, but
that any expense that exceeds that is carried over to
subsequent years, following the office-in-home rules as
reflected on Form 8829.

- quote -

> 7. Under the proposed ARP, a monthly check is paid to the
> employee, who is not required to report the reimbursement on
> his 1040. Is this correct?


Yes. Often, in the S corp situation I'll adjust income
distributions for the office-in-home expenses.

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Boulder, CO 80301
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Old 12-20-2004, 10:26 AM
Steve_Quinton@comcast.net
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Default Business Use of Home/Accountable Plan

I would be interested in this group's opinion on an old
topic with a new twist. I have an architectural firm C-Corp
client. The C-Corp rents a 200 sq ft office in a
professional building on the north side of town for purposes
of a corporate mailing address and a location for the
C-Corps records. The C-Corp's office space has a small
meeting area and allows its employees to use this area to
meet with clients.

The C-Corp is wholly owned by a husband and wife, and
employs the husband as an architect as its sole employee. As
part of the employee agreement, professional employees (i.e.
the husband) must maintain a home office "for the
convenience of the employer" to:

1) Increase public exposure to the business

2) Store the C-Corps client files assigned to the employee, and

3) Perform day-to-day activities, including meeting with
clients when the home office location is in a more
convenient proximity to the client.

The employee purchased a home (in May 2004) on the opposite
side of town (3 miles away) from the C-Corps office. The
home includes a renovated (barn) outbuilding. Approximately
1/2 of the existing finished office space in the barn will
be used exclusively for the home-office business (1000 sq
ft) and the remainder for personal storage until such time
that it may be needed for additional office space.

I have read the many postings made to this forum regarding
the Business Use of Home, where the employee/shareholder is
reimbursed by the S-Corp employer for home office and
related expenses through an Accountable Reimbursement Plan
(ARP) under IRC Sec 62(c).

My questions for this group are:

1. Does the fact that this client is a C-Corp instead of an
S-Corp matter?

2. Could someone give (or e-mail me) sample wording of an ARP?

3. I plan to recommend that my client exclude mortgage
interest and real estate taxes from the ARP, since these
items are subject to their own special limitations and would
only serve to complicate the employee's 1040 (i.e. mortgage
interest less than Form 1098 because % of mrtg interest has
been allocated to and reimbursed by employer under the ARP).
Is there any problem with this exclusion, since they are
otherwise deductible on the employee's personal return?

4. The employee will allocate a % of the property's basis as
the home office and depreciate it over 39 years. The
employee has indicated that they plan on doing some
renovations to the home office space. Would they simply
increase their basis and related depreciation submitted
under the ARP when this is done?

5. Should all expenses covered under the ARP be listed on
line 22 of the Form 1120, and if so, should the ARP expenses
be broken down in a detailed line 22 supporting statement
with the other line 22 expenses, or should they simply be
grouped as an "office expense" in the line 22 supporting
statement. My concern is the appearance of a high $ office
expenses amount relative to the other expenses.

6. Can any proponent of the ARP method confirm my
understanding that to be in compliance of 280A(c)(5), the
ARP expenses should not exceed the W-2 wages of the employee
from C-Corp.

7. Under the proposed ARP, a monthly check is paid to the
employee, who is not required to report the reimbursement on
his 1040. Is this correct?

I'll appreciate your help to clarify these points.
Thanks. Steven Q., CPA

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