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| Steve_Quinton[at]comcast.net wrote: - quote - > The employee purchased a home (in May 2004) on the opposite
Since the office is not in same building as the residence,> side of town (3 miles away) from the C-Corps office. The > home includes a renovated (barn) outbuilding. Approximately > 1/2 of the existing finished office space in the barn will > be used exclusively for the home-office business (1000 sq > ft) and the remainder for personal storage until such time > that it may be needed for additional office space. the exclusive use rule does not apply. - quote - > I have read the many postings made to this forum regarding
No.> the Business Use of Home, where the employee/shareholder is > reimbursed by the S-Corp employer for home office and > related expenses through an Accountable Reimbursement Plan > (ARP) under IRC Sec 62(c). > My questions for this group are: > 1. Does the fact that this client is a C-Corp instead of an > S-Corp matter? - quote - > 3. I plan to recommend that my client exclude mortgage
Why? I've never known the IRS to get upset that an itemized> interest and real estate taxes from the ARP, since these > items are subject to their own special limitations and would > only serve to complicate the employee's 1040 (i.e. mortgage > interest less than Form 1098 because % of mrtg interest has > been allocated to and reimbursed by employer under the ARP). > Is there any problem with this exclusion, since they are > otherwise deductible on the employee's personal return? deduction was smaller than the supporting paperwork. The only problem I see is failing to get money out of the C-corp in a form that is deductible by the C-corp. - quote - > 4. The employee will allocate a % of the property's basis as
Yes.> the home office and depreciate it over 39 years. The > employee has indicated that they plan on doing some > renovations to the home office space. Would they simply > increase their basis and related depreciation submitted > under the ARP when this is done? - quote - > 6. Can any proponent of the ARP method confirm my
That is my understanding.> understanding that to be in compliance of 280A(c)(5), the > ARP expenses should not exceed the W-2 wages of the employee > from C-Corp. - quote - > 7. Under the proposed ARP, a monthly check is paid to the > employee, who is not required to report the reimbursement on > his 1040. Is this correct? That is my understanding. Good luck. Regards, Bill << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| - quote - > I would be interested in this group's opinion on an old
No.> topic with a new twist. I have an architectural firm C-Corp > client. The C-Corp rents a 200 sq ft office in a > professional building on the north side of town for purposes > of a corporate mailing address and a location for the > C-Corps records. The C-Corp's office space has a small > meeting area and allows its employees to use this area to > meet with clients. > The C-Corp is wholly owned by a husband and wife, and > employs the husband as an architect as its sole employee. As > part of the employee agreement, professional employees (i.e. > the husband) must maintain a home office "for the > convenience of the employer" to: > 1) Increase public exposure to the business > 2) Store the C-Corps client files assigned to the employee, and > 3) Perform day-to-day activities, including meeting with > clients when the home office location is in a more > convenient proximity to the client. > The employee purchased a home (in May 2004) on the opposite > side of town (3 miles away) from the C-Corps office. The > home includes a renovated (barn) outbuilding. Approximately > 1/2 of the existing finished office space in the barn will > be used exclusively for the home-office business (1000 sq > ft) and the remainder for personal storage until such time > that it may be needed for additional office space. > I have read the many postings made to this forum regarding > the Business Use of Home, where the employee/shareholder is > reimbursed by the S-Corp employer for home office and > related expenses through an Accountable Reimbursement Plan > (ARP) under IRC Sec 62(c). > My questions for this group are: > 1. Does the fact that this client is a C-Corp instead of an > S-Corp matter? - quote - > 3. I plan to recommend that my client exclude mortgage
I do this routinely.> interest and real estate taxes from the ARP, since these > items are subject to their own special limitations and would > only serve to complicate the employee's 1040 (i.e. mortgage > interest less than Form 1098 because % of mrtg interest has > been allocated to and reimbursed by employer under the ARP). > Is there any problem with this exclusion, since they are > otherwise deductible on the employee's personal return? - quote - > 4. The employee will allocate a % of the property's basis as
Yes.> the home office and depreciate it over 39 years. The > employee has indicated that they plan on doing some > renovations to the home office space. Would they simply > increase their basis and related depreciation submitted > under the ARP when this is done? - quote - > 5. Should all expenses covered under the ARP be listed on
I generally put it all under office expense. In most of my> line 22 of the Form 1120, and if so, should the ARP expenses > be broken down in a detailed line 22 supporting statement > with the other line 22 expenses, or should they simply be > grouped as an "office expense" in the line 22 supporting > statement. My concern is the appearance of a high $ office > expenses amount relative to the other expenses. clients' cases the amount is pretty small. The big advantage is in being able to deduct much more auto mileage. - quote - > 6. Can any proponent of the ARP method confirm my
It's not that they "should not" exceed the W-2 wages, but> understanding that to be in compliance of 280A(c)(5), the > ARP expenses should not exceed the W-2 wages of the employee > from C-Corp. that any expense that exceeds that is carried over to subsequent years, following the office-in-home rules as reflected on Form 8829. - quote - > 7. Under the proposed ARP, a monthly check is paid to the
Yes. Often, in the S corp situation I'll adjust income> employee, who is not required to report the reimbursement on > his 1040. Is this correct? distributions for the office-in-home expenses. -- Thomas E Healy, CPA, PC 1650 38th St., Ste 202W Boulder, CO 80301 Please send email to: tom[at]tomhealycpa.com, since I block all email at my newsgroup address. phone (303) 443-1804 fax (720) 489-3772 << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| I would be interested in this group's opinion on an old topic with a new twist. I have an architectural firm C-Corp client. The C-Corp rents a 200 sq ft office in a professional building on the north side of town for purposes of a corporate mailing address and a location for the C-Corps records. The C-Corp's office space has a small meeting area and allows its employees to use this area to meet with clients. The C-Corp is wholly owned by a husband and wife, and employs the husband as an architect as its sole employee. As part of the employee agreement, professional employees (i.e. the husband) must maintain a home office "for the convenience of the employer" to: 1) Increase public exposure to the business 2) Store the C-Corps client files assigned to the employee, and 3) Perform day-to-day activities, including meeting with clients when the home office location is in a more convenient proximity to the client. The employee purchased a home (in May 2004) on the opposite side of town (3 miles away) from the C-Corps office. The home includes a renovated (barn) outbuilding. Approximately 1/2 of the existing finished office space in the barn will be used exclusively for the home-office business (1000 sq ft) and the remainder for personal storage until such time that it may be needed for additional office space. I have read the many postings made to this forum regarding the Business Use of Home, where the employee/shareholder is reimbursed by the S-Corp employer for home office and related expenses through an Accountable Reimbursement Plan (ARP) under IRC Sec 62(c). My questions for this group are: 1. Does the fact that this client is a C-Corp instead of an S-Corp matter? 2. Could someone give (or e-mail me) sample wording of an ARP? 3. I plan to recommend that my client exclude mortgage interest and real estate taxes from the ARP, since these items are subject to their own special limitations and would only serve to complicate the employee's 1040 (i.e. mortgage interest less than Form 1098 because % of mrtg interest has been allocated to and reimbursed by employer under the ARP). Is there any problem with this exclusion, since they are otherwise deductible on the employee's personal return? 4. The employee will allocate a % of the property's basis as the home office and depreciate it over 39 years. The employee has indicated that they plan on doing some renovations to the home office space. Would they simply increase their basis and related depreciation submitted under the ARP when this is done? 5. Should all expenses covered under the ARP be listed on line 22 of the Form 1120, and if so, should the ARP expenses be broken down in a detailed line 22 supporting statement with the other line 22 expenses, or should they simply be grouped as an "office expense" in the line 22 supporting statement. My concern is the appearance of a high $ office expenses amount relative to the other expenses. 6. Can any proponent of the ARP method confirm my understanding that to be in compliance of 280A(c)(5), the ARP expenses should not exceed the W-2 wages of the employee from C-Corp. 7. Under the proposed ARP, a monthly check is paid to the employee, who is not required to report the reimbursement on his 1040. Is this correct? I'll appreciate your help to clarify these points. Thanks. Steven Q., CPA << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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