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Old 12-03-2004, 03:35 PM
Katie Jaques
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"MTW" <mtwingcpa[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Seth Breidbart wrote:

> > What if I buy the stuff myself, and hire the contractor to
> > install it?
> > In that case, does it matter if I buy it from the contractor
> > or someone else?


> You would need to look at applicable state law. In WA state,
> BOTH labor and materials on a home improvement are subject
> to sales tax. So, you can "mix-n-match" the transaction
> anyway you want, you will still end up paying sales (or use)
> tax on the whole thing.


Washington residents are among those who will benefit most
from the new federal rules, because there is no individual
income tax (so no deduction before the law change) and the
sales tax applies to the entire amount of a construction
contract.

In Washington, the contractor buys all of the materials
under a resale exemption, and the purchaser is the sales
taxpayer.

There may be other states that treat construction contracts
the way Washington does, but I don't know of any offhand.

Katie in San Diego
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Old 12-03-2004, 03:35 PM
Katie Jaques
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Stuart Bronstein <spamtrap[at]lexregia.com> wrote:
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> Katie Jaques wrote:
> > sethb[at]panix.com (Seth Breidbart) wrote:
> > > Katie Jaques <katiej_1958[at]yahoo.com> wrote:


> > > > It depends on the law of the state involved. In most
> > > > states, a construction contractor is the consumer of
> > > > materials, and therefore pays the sales tax on them. The
> > > > contractor, not the customer, is the taxpayer.


> > > What if I buy the stuff myself, and hire the contractor to
> > > install it?
> > > > > In that case, does it matter if I buy it from the contractor
> > > or someone else?


> > I can speak only with respect to California, and not with
> > much authority on that since I haven't looked anything up
> > <G> . However, I believe you could purchase the materials
> > yourself from a third party and hire the contractor only to
> > install them. Then you would be the taxpayer.


> That's correct for California.


> > I don't think you can buy the materials from the contractor.
> > He is the consumer and he has to pay the tax when he buys
> > materials. He can't buy them ex-tax and charge you the
> > sales tax.


> Well, that depends. If the contractor ever makes retail
> sales of products he does not install (e.g. Home Depot is a
> contractor as well as a retailer), it is possible to do
> that.
> It would even be possible, for example, to purchase things
> from Home Depot, and subsequently hire Home Depot to install
> them. In that case there would be sales tax on the initial
> purchase, but not on the subsequent installation.
> However if the purchase and the installation are contracted
> for in a single transaction, the contractor is required to
> charge tax on the entire transaction including the services.


That makes sense to me.

Katie in San Diego
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Old 11-30-2004, 02:51 PM
MTW
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Seth Breidbart wrote:

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> What if I buy the stuff myself, and hire the contractor to
> install it?
> In that case, does it matter if I buy it from the contractor
> or someone else?


You would need to look at applicable state law. In WA state,
BOTH labor and materials on a home improvement are subject
to sales tax. So, you can "mix-n-match" the transaction
anyway you want, you will still end up paying sales (or use)
tax on the whole thing.

MTW

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Old 11-30-2004, 02:32 PM
Stuart Bronstein
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Katie Jaques wrote:
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> sethb[at]panix.com (Seth Breidbart) wrote:
> > Katie Jaques <katiej_1958[at]yahoo.com> wrote:


> > > It depends on the law of the state involved. In most
> > > states, a construction contractor is the consumer of
> > > materials, and therefore pays the sales tax on them. The
> > > contractor, not the customer, is the taxpayer.


> > What if I buy the stuff myself, and hire the contractor to
> > install it?
> > > In that case, does it matter if I buy it from the contractor

> > or someone else?


> I can speak only with respect to California, and not with
> much authority on that since I haven't looked anything up
> <G> . However, I believe you could purchase the materials
> yourself from a third party and hire the contractor only to
> install them. Then you would be the taxpayer.


That's correct for California.

- quote -

> I don't think you can buy the materials from the contractor.
> He is the consumer and he has to pay the tax when he buys
> materials. He can't buy them ex-tax and charge you the
> sales tax.


Well, that depends. If the contractor ever makes retail
sales of products he does not install (e.g. Home Depot is a
contractor as well as a retailer), it is possible to do
that.

It would even be possible, for example, to purchase things
from Home Depot, and subsequently hire Home Depot to install
them. In that case there would be sales tax on the initial
purchase, but not on the subsequent installation.

However if the purchase and the installation are contracted
for in a single transaction, the contractor is required to
charge tax on the entire transaction including the services.

Stu

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Old 11-29-2004, 04:31 PM
Katie Jaques
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sethb[at]panix.com (Seth Breidbart) wrote:
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> Katie Jaques <katiej_1958[at]yahoo.com> wrote:

> > It depends on the law of the state involved. In most
> > states, a construction contractor is the consumer of
> > materials, and therefore pays the sales tax on them. The
> > contractor, not the customer, is the taxpayer.


> What if I buy the stuff myself, and hire the contractor to
> install it?
> In that case, does it matter if I buy it from the contractor
> or someone else?


I can speak only with respect to California, and not with
much authority on that since I haven't looked anything up
<G> . However, I believe you could purchase the materials
yourself from a third party and hire the contractor only to
install them. Then you would be the taxpayer.

I don't think you can buy the materials from the contractor.
He is the consumer and he has to pay the tax when he buys
materials. He can't buy them ex-tax and charge you the
sales tax.

Katie in San Diego

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does not constitute legal or professional advice.

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Old 11-26-2004, 03:09 PM
Tom Healy
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> My questions are:
> 1. Are the sales taxes on materials used to build my house
> deductible if the builder bought the materials, and I
> eventually paid them in the form of the purchase price
> of the house?


In many cases, sales tax (at least local tax) isn't paid on
construction materials. Instead, the building permit fee is
in lieu of sales tax. When we did a remodel of our home a
few years ago, we only paid county and state tax; no city
tax.

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Old 11-26-2004, 02:49 PM
Mark Rigotti, CPA
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> > I read in a newspaper article that, under the new law that
> > Congress passed relative to deducting sales taxes, that I
> > can deduct taxes paid on material to build a new house. I
> > had a developer build a new house for me this year. He also
> > built other houses in this development, so he probably
> > bought materials for several houses at a time.
> > > My questions are:

> > 1. Are the sales taxes on materials used to build my house
> > deductible if the builder bought the materials, and I
> > eventually paid them in the form of the purchase price
> > of the house?
> > > 2. If so, what records would I request from the builder to

> > prove the amount of the sales taxes paid?


> You can only deduct the taxes if your name is on the invoice
> for the materials. Since you purchased the finished product,
> unless the tax is separately stated on the documents, you
> are out of luck on this one.


Probably not. Most states that I know of have a sales tax
exemption of equipment/additions to real property - seems
like something to do with double taxation and real estate
taxes.

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Mark Rigotti

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Old 11-26-2004, 02:30 PM
Seth Breidbart
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Herb Smith <smithff33[at]aol.com> wrote:

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> Any sales tax paid by the builder for materials (if any) is
> usually not a deduction to him - the tax is capitalized as
> part of the material cost.


Which makes it a business expense to him.

- quote -

> You can't deduct the sales tax, since you did not pay it to
> a taxing authority.


As a customer, I _never_ pay sales tax to a taxing
authority; I pay it to a retailer, who remits it to a taxing
authority. (Use tax I pay directly.)

Seth

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Old 11-26-2004, 02:30 PM
Seth Breidbart
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Katie Jaques <katiej_1958[at]yahoo.com> wrote:

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> It depends on the law of the state involved. In most
> states, a construction contractor is the consumer of
> materials, and therefore pays the sales tax on them. The
> contractor, not the customer, is the taxpayer.


What if I buy the stuff myself, and hire the contractor to
install it?

In that case, does it matter if I buy it from the contractor
or someone else?

Seth

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Old 11-24-2004, 11:56 AM
Katie Jaques
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sethb[at]panix.com (Seth Breidbart) wrote:
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> A.G. Kalman <glendale202-mtm[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
> > shiflett[at]attREMOVE-THIS.com wrote:


> > > My questions are:
> > > 1. Are the sales taxes on materials used to build my house
> > > deductible if the builder bought the materials, and I
> > > eventually paid them in the form of the purchase price
> > > of the house?


> > Not deductible, as you did not pay a general sales tax to
> > the seller.


> What if he got the builder to separate out the materials and
> labor/other in his bill, so he _did_ pay sales tax on the
> materials?


It depends on the law of the state involved. In most
states, a construction contractor is the consumer of
materials, and therefore pays the sales tax on them. The
contractor, not the customer, is the taxpayer.

In California, the contractor is the retailer of fixtures,
which includes such items as built-in appliances, furnace,
water heater, etc. The contractor purchases those items for
resale (ex-tax) and charges sales tax to the customer. The
customer can deduct those taxes.

Katie in San Diego

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does not constitute legal or professional advice.

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Old 11-24-2004, 11:17 AM
Harlan Lunsford
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Seth Breidbart wrote:
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> A.G. Kalman <glendale202-mtm[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
> > shiflett[at]attREMOVE-THIS.com wrote:


> > > My questions are:
> > > 1. Are the sales taxes on materials used to build my house
> > > deductible if the builder bought the materials, and I
> > > eventually paid them in the form of the purchase price
> > > of the house?


> > Not deductible, as you did not pay a general sales tax to
> > the seller.


> What if he got the builder to separate out the materials and
> labor/other in his bill, so he _did_ pay sales tax on the
> materials?


Remembering the "good old days" of sales tax deductions,
not even if the builder separately stated the tax on the
invoice. (Invoice for a house? grin). Anyway, sales taxes
are not imposed by states on third parties anyway.

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA
Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:28:25

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Old 11-24-2004, 10:20 AM
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cshiflett[at]att.net (cshiflett[at]attREMOVE-THIS.com) wrote:

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> I read in a newspaper article that, under the new law that
> Congress passed relative to deducting sales taxes, that I
> can deduct taxes paid on material to build a new house. I
> had a developer build a new house for me this year. He also
> built other houses in this development, so he probably
> bought materials for several houses at a time.
> My questions are:
> 1. Are the sales taxes on materials used to build my house
> deductible if the builder bought the materials, and I
> eventually paid them in the form of the purchase price
> of the house?
> 2. If so, what records would I request from the builder to
> prove the amount of the sales taxes paid?


Any sales tax paid by the builder for materials (if any) is
usually not a deduction to him - the tax is capitalized as
part of the material cost.

You can't deduct the sales tax, since you did not pay it to
a taxing authority.

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Old 11-23-2004, 04:56 PM
Seth Breidbart
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A.G. Kalman <glendale202-mtm[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
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> shiflett[at]attREMOVE-THIS.com wrote:

> > My questions are:
> > 1. Are the sales taxes on materials used to build my house
> > deductible if the builder bought the materials, and I
> > eventually paid them in the form of the purchase price
> > of the house?


> Not deductible, as you did not pay a general sales tax to
> the seller.


What if he got the builder to separate out the materials and
labor/other in his bill, so he _did_ pay sales tax on the
materials?

Seth

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Old 11-23-2004, 04:17 PM
Bruce Raskin CPA
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> I read in a newspaper article that, under the new law that
> Congress passed relative to deducting sales taxes, that I
> can deduct taxes paid on material to build a new house. I
> had a developer build a new house for me this year. He also
> built other houses in this development, so he probably
> bought materials for several houses at a time.
> My questions are:
> 1. Are the sales taxes on materials used to build my house
> deductible if the builder bought the materials, and I
> eventually paid them in the form of the purchase price
> of the house?
> 2. If so, what records would I request from the builder to
> prove the amount of the sales taxes paid?


You can only deduct the taxes if your name is on the invoice
for the materials. Since you purchased the finished product,
unless the tax is separately stated on the documents, you
are out of luck on this one.

Sorry..

Bruce Raskin, CPA

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Old 11-23-2004, 04:17 PM
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I dont think SO !!

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Old 11-22-2004, 01:20 AM
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cshiflett[at]att.net (cshiflett[at]attREMOVE-THIS.com) wrote:

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> I read in a newspaper article that, under the new law that
> Congress passed relative to deducting sales taxes, that I
> can deduct taxes paid on material to build a new house. I
> had a developer build a new house for me this year. He also
> built other houses in this development, so he probably
> bought materials for several houses at a time.
> My questions are:
> 1. Are the sales taxes on materials used to build my house
> deductible if the builder bought the materials, and I
> eventually paid them in the form of the purchase price
> of the house?
> 2. If so, what records would I request from the builder to
> prove the amount of the sales taxes paid?


A little more info: The law is the Amerian Jobs Creation
Act.

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Old 11-22-2004, 01:01 AM
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shiflett[at]attREMOVE-THIS.com wrote:

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> I read in a newspaper article that, under the new law that
> Congress passed relative to deducting sales taxes, that I
> can deduct taxes paid on material to build a new house. I
> had a developer build a new house for me this year. He also
> built other houses in this development, so he probably
> bought materials for several houses at a time.
> My questions are:
> 1. Are the sales taxes on materials used to build my house
> deductible if the builder bought the materials, and I
> eventually paid them in the form of the purchase price
> of the house?


Not deductible, as you did not pay a general sales tax to
the seller.

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Old 11-22-2004, 01:01 AM
Harlan Lunsford
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cshiflett[at]attREMOVE-THIS.com wrote:

- quote -

> I read in a newspaper article that, under the new law that
> Congress passed relative to deducting sales taxes, that I
> can deduct taxes paid on material to build a new house. I
> had a developer build a new house for me this year. He also
> built other houses in this development, so he probably
> bought materials for several houses at a time.
> My questions are:
> 1. Are the sales taxes on materials used to build my house
> deductible if the builder bought the materials, and I
> eventually paid them in the form of the purchase price
> of the house?


I'm pretty sure the deductions for building materials
purchased will be same as they once were. And since you are
not buying the materials, you may not deduct the sales tax.
If you hire a subcontractor and pay his labor only and you
buy materials for home improvement, then you may.

Incidentally, I expect this is the reason we all get
questions from clients about "taking home improvements off
on my taxes." (grin)

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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Old 11-18-2004, 01:35 AM
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Default New sales tax rules

I read in a newspaper article that, under the new law that
Congress passed relative to deducting sales taxes, that I
can deduct taxes paid on material to build a new house. I
had a developer build a new house for me this year. He also
built other houses in this development, so he probably
bought materials for several houses at a time.

My questions are:
1. Are the sales taxes on materials used to build my house
deductible if the builder bought the materials, and I
eventually paid them in the form of the purchase price
of the house?

2. If so, what records would I request from the builder to
prove the amount of the sales taxes paid?

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