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11-09-2004, 08:05 PM
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 Re: Tax Law question Phil Marti wrote: - quote - > Stuart Bronstein <spamtrap[at]lexregia.com> writes:
Yup, you're right.> > Actually section 7203 only makes it an offense not to pay > > any "estimated" tax. (Well, in addition to requiring filing > > a return, keeping records and supplying information.) > Read it again. It says "...any estimated tax OR TAX...." > (emphasis added). Stu << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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11-08-2004, 10:50 PM
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| Re: Tax Law question Phil Marti wrote: - quote - > Dick Adams <rdadams[at]smart.net) writes:
There's also IRC 7202, where an intermediary collects a tax> > > In a discussion with a tax-protestor sort, I encountered the > > > following opinion: willful non payment of tax owed is not a > > > criminal offense under U.S. law, so long as the correct > > > amount of tax was declared on the appropriate tax return. > > > > > I'm pretty sure this is incorrect, but I'd like to be able > > > to document this point. > > No, it is absolutely correct. > One hates to disagree with our esteemed moderator, but > willful failure to pay is a crime (IRC 7203). IIRC this is > what Mr. Starr charged Web Hubbell with. > It's VERY hard to put together a case, because you have to > show ability to pay and usually if you can prove that you > can grab the money. I recall one case that involved a U.S. > citizen working at the UN who filed and never paid. The > fact that you can't levy the UN, combined with the > taxpayer's moving all assets offshore, led to a 7203 case > even though correct returns were timely filed. (e.g. withholding) and fails to turn it over to the government. 7203 above is where the TAXPAYER the tax is imposed on WILLFULLY FAILS to make any attempt to pay it. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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11-08-2004, 09:33 PM
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| Re: Tax Law question Stuart Bronstein <spamtrap[at]lexregia.com> writes: - quote - > Actually section 7203 only makes it an offense not to pay
Read it again. It says "...any estimated tax OR TAX...."> any "estimated" tax. (Well, in addition to requiring filing > a return, keeping records and supplying information.) (emphasis added). I sailed right past "or tax" the first time, too, but I had the benefit of knowing from experience that it's there. Phil Marti Clarksburg, MD << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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11-06-2004, 10:41 PM
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| Re: Tax Law question Phil Marti wrote: - quote - > Dick Adams <rdadams[at]smart.net) writes:
Actually section 7203 only makes it an offense not to pay> > > In a discussion with a tax-protestor sort, I encountered the > > > following opinion: willful non payment of tax owed is not a > > > criminal offense under U.S. law, so long as the correct > > > amount of tax was declared on the appropriate tax return. > > No, it is absolutely correct. > One hates to disagree with our esteemed moderator, but > willful failure to pay is a crime (IRC 7203). IIRC this is > what Mr. Starr charged Web Hubbell with. any "estimated" tax. (Well, in addition to requiring filing a return, keeping records and supplying information.) Stu << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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11-05-2004, 08:39 AM
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| Re: Tax Law question Dick Adams <rdadams[at]smart.net) writes: - quote - > > In a discussion with a tax-protestor sort, I encountered the
One hates to disagree with our esteemed moderator, but> > following opinion: willful non payment of tax owed is not a > > criminal offense under U.S. law, so long as the correct > > amount of tax was declared on the appropriate tax return. > > > I'm pretty sure this is incorrect, but I'd like to be able > > to document this point. > No, it is absolutely correct. willful failure to pay is a crime (IRC 7203). IIRC this is what Mr. Starr charged Web Hubbell with. It's VERY hard to put together a case, because you have to show ability to pay and usually if you can prove that you can grab the money. I recall one case that involved a U.S. citizen working at the UN who filed and never paid. The fact that you can't levy the UN, combined with the taxpayer's moving all assets offshore, led to a 7203 case even though correct returns were timely filed. Phil Marti Clarksburg, MD << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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11-05-2004, 08:38 AM
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| Re: Tax Law question Dick, Adams wrote: - quote - > spope33[at]speedymail.org (Steve Pope) asks:
....> > Sorry to take up valuable time with a silly question but > > I need some help here. > > In a discussion with a tax-protestor sort, I encountered the > > following opinion: willful non payment of tax owed is not a > > criminal offense under U.S. law, so long as the correct > > amount of tax was declared on the appropriate tax return. - quote - > There are people who abuse this provision by filing timely
The IRS seizes the assets, also, although the abusers use of> accruate tax returns and paying nothing. The IRS gets > judgements against them and ceases their assets. the assets ceases.... (Using a speech-recognition system, Dick?) << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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11-04-2004, 07:38 AM
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| Tax Law question spope33[at]speedymail.org (Steve Pope) asks: - quote - > Sorry to take up valuable time with a silly question but
No, it is absolutely correct. There are no debtors' prisons> I need some help here. > In a discussion with a tax-protestor sort, I encountered the > following opinion: willful non payment of tax owed is not a > criminal offense under U.S. law, so long as the correct > amount of tax was declared on the appropriate tax return. > I'm pretty sure this is incorrect, but I'd like to be able > to document this point. in the United States. If you can't pay, you can set up a payment plan. There are people who abuse this provision by filing timely accruate tax returns and paying nothing. The IRS gets judgements against them and ceases their assets. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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