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| Seth Breidbart wrote: - quote - > If the sublessee has 10% of the space private, and access to
That's the problem I've seen with these loft/studio> 75% of the space (the OP has 15% of the space private), then > how much should be considered subleased? subrentals. The tenant typically is entitled to "desk space" that is arguably "exclusive," but usually NOT in a separately walled off area. The tenant is also entitled to non-exclusive use of the studio space, and generally all equipment and facilities in it, save only that the tenant provides his own materials/supplies. So, to really properly compute this, you would have to pro rate depreciation deductions on equipment, etc., etc., ad nauseam. Plus, you would likely end up with a rental of PERSONAL property as well as a rental of REAL property. As I noted in another message, my state views these relationships as a "license to use" real estate, rather than a "rental." I typically follow that approach for income tax purposes by simply reporting the sublease as "other income" (not rental) on the business return in question. MTW << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| JanZtax <janztax[at]aol.com> wrote: - quote - > > Peter Kronenberg wrote:
Wouldn't that depend on whether the sublease is at a profit> > > The sublesee would have a small area to call his own, but > > > would essentally have free use of the space while he is there. > > > There are no expenses to share, since utilities are included. > > > Any expenses I have to fix the place up I would consider, as I > > > do now, to be normal business expenses that I deduct on Sched C. > I, on the other hand, tend to put this income on schedule E > to avoid self-employment tax on it. or loss? - quote - > The key point, however,
If the sublessee has 10% of the space private, and access to> is whichever way you do it, be consistent. In other words, > if 10% of the space is subleased and you put that income on > schedule E, then 10% of the rent and utilities paid should > go on schedule E, along with 10% of maintenance and repair. 75% of the space (the OP has 15% of the space private), then how much should be considered subleased? Seth << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| JanZtax wrote: - quote - > I, on the other hand, tend to put this income on schedule E
I don't know where the poster is located. But here in WA> to avoid self-employment tax on it. state there would be an additional issue as to whether the income is subject to the state's business gross receipts tax. Bona fide "rentals" of real estate are exempt from the state tax, but a "license to use" real estate is not. The state regulations make it clear that a situation such as the one discussed (shared space that the "tenant" does not EXCLUSIVELY control) is a license, NOT a rental. I have followed a consistent approach for federal purposes because I assume that state law definitions of "rental" are relevant. MTW << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| MTW" mtwingcpa[at]yahoo.com - quote - > Peter Kronenberg wrote:
I, on the other hand, tend to put this income on schedule E> > The sublesee would have a small area to call his own, but > > would essentally have free use of the space while he is there. > > There are no expenses to share, since utilities are included. > > Any expenses I have to fix the place up I would consider, as I > > do now, to be normal business expenses that I deduct on Sched C. > I have seen situations like this and have typically reported > the sublease income on the "other income" line of Schedule C. to avoid self-employment tax on it. The key point, however, is whichever way you do it, be consistent. In other words, if 10% of the space is subleased and you put that income on schedule E, then 10% of the rent and utilities paid should go on schedule E, along with 10% of maintenance and repair. It may not be worth it to you to figure this all out, in which case, put the sublease income on schedule C. Jan Zobel EA << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Peter Kronenberg wrote: - quote - > The sublesee would
I have seen situations like this and have typically reported> have a small area to call his own, but would essentally have > free use of the space while he is there. There are no > expenses to share, since utilities are included. Any > expenses I have to fix the place up I would consider, as I > do now, to be normal business expenses that I deduct on > Sched C. the sublease income on the "other income" line of Schedule C. MTW << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| I just started renting a place for use in my business (Schedule C). It is essentially an artist's studio/workshop. I formerlly worked out of my own. Now it will be about 50% home and 50% studio. Utilities are included. I am thinking of getting a sublesee to share part of the space to help offset some of the rent. The sublesee would have a small area to call his own, but would essentally have free use of the space while he is there. There are no expenses to share, since utilities are included. Any expenses I have to fix the place up I would consider, as I do now, to be normal business expenses that I deduct on Sched C. So how do I handle the rental income? Can I just use it to offset my rent? Or must I file Sched E? thanks, Peter << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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