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Old 11-04-2004, 07:53 AM
Harlan Lunsford
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Default Re: stunned to find an exemption does nothing

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> > > > My total tax return last year was about $6000.

> > > That doesn't make sense. What number of the dozens or
> > > hundreds in your tax return was about $6,000? The total
> > > tax? Your refund? Your underpayment?


> > Point of information: Many clients refer to their "return,"
> > meaning their refund. We, of course, have a different
> > meaning in mind when they say "tax return."


> And when talking about W-4's, they often say "deduction"
> when they mean "exemption".
> People should learn to understand layman-ese.


And when talking about W-4's, people often say "exemptions",
when they're really talking about withholding "allowances";
not deductions, not exemptions.

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA
Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:06:45

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Old 11-01-2004, 07:52 PM
Barry Margolin
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Default Re: stunned to find an exemption does nothing

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> > > My total tax return last year was about $6000.

> > That doesn't make sense. What number of the dozens or
> > hundreds in your tax return was about $6,000? The total
> > tax? Your refund? Your underpayment?


> Point of information: Many clients refer to their "return,"
> meaning their refund. We, of course, have a different
> meaning in mind when they say "tax return."


And when talking about W-4's, they often say "deduction"
when they mean "exemption".

People should learn to understand layman-ese.

--
Barry Margolin, barmar[at]alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA

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Old 11-01-2004, 07:14 PM
David Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU
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Default Re: stunned to find an exemption does nothing

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> > > My total tax return last year was about $6000.

> > That doesn't make sense. What number of the dozens or
> > hundreds in your tax return was about $6,000? The total
> > tax? Your refund? Your underpayment?


> Point of information: Many clients refer to their "return,"
> meaning their refund. We, of course, have a different
> meaning in mind when they say "tax return."


Of course the original poster is not a client for anyone
here, and we as professionals should always strive to use
the correct terminology and make sure in a forum like this
that we have absolute clarity in terminology because so as
to respond properly. I see nothing wrong with the
responders message.

--
David M. Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU
Woods Financial Services
Norwood, MA 02062
www.woods-financial.com

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Old 10-31-2004, 02:54 PM
Wcm7315
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Default Re: stunned to find an exemption does nothing

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> > My total tax return last year was about $6000.

> That doesn't make sense. What number of the dozens or
> hundreds in your tax return was about $6,000? The total
> tax? Your refund? Your underpayment?


Point of information: Many clients refer to their "return,"
meaning their refund. We, of course, have a different
meaning in mind when they say "tax return."

Will

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Old 10-31-2004, 02:35 PM
D. Stussy
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D.F. Manno wrote:
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> coolneo[at]yahoo.com (coolneo) wrote:

> > So, I bought a house last year, and this year we're having a
> > baby.
> > > I went on the ADP site and used their little paycheck

> > calculator to determine how much my salary would increase
> > with the 1 deduction I would add. My amazing government
> > gives a whoping $30 extra per pay check! WTF!


> I would hardly call $1,560 "nothing."


How do you get $1,560? Some governments pay MONTHLY - so
that's only $360 for the year. The feds pay bi-weekly (~26
times per year), so that's off also.

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Old 10-31-2004, 01:37 PM
Phil Marti
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coolneo[at]yahoo.com (coolneo) writes:

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> I know I should talk to an expert, but can someone here clue
> me in as to what I'm looking at? Just so I understand why
> this is so damn stupid!


I don't know what you're looking at, but you should be
looking at the Form W-4 (available from your employer) and
its worksheets. You're claiming way too few withholding
allowances, and an amended W-4 will fix that.

Phil Marti
Clarksburg, MD

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Old 10-31-2004, 01:18 PM
Arthur L. Rubin
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coolneo wrote:

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> So, I bought a house last year, and this year we're having a
> baby.


Congratulations!

- quote -

> I went on the ADP site and used their little paycheck
> calculator to determine how much my salary would increase
> with the 1 deduction I would add. My amazing government
> gives a whoping $30 extra per pay check! WTF!
> My total tax return last year was about $6000. This year,
> with a full years worth of mortgage interest payments, I
> expect close to, if not more than, $8000. In the past this
> would be great, but with the kid coming I'd much rather have
> that money in my pocket.


If you use the W-4 worksheets, you MAY find that you could
claim as many as 6 withholding exemptions. (A withholding
exemption is NOT the same thing as an exemption on the tax
return.) Furthermore, although legally questionable -- the
W-4 does say that you're signing under penalty of perjury,
after all -- there is no penalty for declaring more
exemptions than you're entitled to on the W-4, if you've
already been overwithheld for the year. If you do that, be
sure to submit a "normal" W-4 in late December.

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Old 10-28-2004, 12:41 AM
D.F. Manno
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coolneo[at]yahoo.com (coolneo) wrote:

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> So, I bought a house last year, and this year we're having a
> baby.
> I went on the ADP site and used their little paycheck
> calculator to determine how much my salary would increase
> with the 1 deduction I would add. My amazing government
> gives a whoping $30 extra per pay check! WTF!


I would hardly call $1,560 "nothing."

--
D.F. Manno
dfm2a3l0t2[at]spymac.com
The average man doesn't want to be free. He simply wants to be safe.
(H.L. Mencken)

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Old 10-28-2004, 12:21 AM
A.G. Kalman
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oolneo wrote:

- quote -

> So, I bought a house last year, and this year we're having a
> baby.
> I went on the ADP site and used their little paycheck
> calculator to determine how much my salary would increase
> with the 1 deduction I would add. My amazing government
> gives a whoping $30 extra per pay check! WTF!
> My total tax return last year was about $6000. This year,
> with a full years worth of mortgage interest payments, I
> expect close to, if not more than, $8000. In the past this
> would be great, but with the kid coming I'd much rather have
> that money in my pocket.
> I know I should talk to an expert, but can someone here clue
> me in as to what I'm looking at? Just so I understand why
> this is so damn stupid!


See the instructions that come with the W-4 (withholding
form). It tells you to include extra exemptions to cover the
child tax credit and you may also have to compute extra
exemptions if you itemize deductions.

--
Alan
http://taxtopics.net

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Old 10-27-2004, 11:43 PM
Seth Breidbart
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coolneo <coolneo[at]yahoo.com> wrote:

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> So, I bought a house last year, and this year we're having a
> baby.
> I went on the ADP site and used their little paycheck
> calculator to determine how much my salary would increase
> with the 1 deduction I would add. My amazing government
> gives a whoping $30 extra per pay check! WTF!


What did you change?

- quote -

> My total tax return last year was about $6000.

That doesn't make sense. What number of the dozens or
hundreds in your tax return was about $6,000? The total
tax? Your refund? Your underpayment?

- quote -

> This year,
> with a full years worth of mortgage interest payments, I
> expect close to, if not more than, $8000.


That appears to indicate you're talking about your refund.

- quote -

> In the past this would be great, but with the kid coming I'd much
> rather have that money in my pocket.


Did you look at the W4? You should be claiming more
exemptions. One for the baby, one for every $3,000 in other
deductions (such as the mortgage interest).

Seth

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Old 10-26-2004, 09:57 PM
coolneo
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Default stunned to find an exemption does nothing

So, I bought a house last year, and this year we're having a
baby.

I went on the ADP site and used their little paycheck
calculator to determine how much my salary would increase
with the 1 deduction I would add. My amazing government
gives a whoping $30 extra per pay check! WTF!

My total tax return last year was about $6000. This year,
with a full years worth of mortgage interest payments, I
expect close to, if not more than, $8000. In the past this
would be great, but with the kid coming I'd much rather have
that money in my pocket.

I know I should talk to an expert, but can someone here clue
me in as to what I'm looking at? Just so I understand why
this is so damn stupid!

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