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| Tammy wrote: - quote - > If I put money (> $100K) in an account in my sister's name to
Another way of looking at this transaction is that you have> keep for a while(nothing to do with taxes), will I have to > pay gift tax? This is NOT a gift and she is only keeping it > for me for a certain period of time. Afterwards, I will > take the money back and either spend or put into an account > of my own. > What criteria does IRS use for determining when a gift tax > should be paid? If this IS considered a gift by IRS, I > assume I can avoid it by either adding my name to her > account (in which case, only I will withdrawn the money when > needed) or remove the money from her account and put in an > account of my own? created a trust (you can have an oral trust if there is no written trust instrument), with your sister as the trustee and you as the beneficiary. If you have the right to determine when the money will be paid back to you, you have retained a right to revoke the trust, which makes it a grantor trust under the income tax rules. All of the income from the assets would be subject to tax on your tax return (not your sister's), and for creditor purposes the assets would be considered your assets, and not your sister's. --Chris << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Tammy" <tammy_gutter[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > If I put money (> $100K) in an account in my sister's name to
Why are you doing this?> keep for a while(nothing to do with taxes), will I have to > pay gift tax? This is NOT a gift and she is only keeping it > for me for a certain period of time. Afterwards, I will > take the money back and either spend or put into an account > of my own. > What criteria does IRS use for determining when a gift tax > should be paid? If this IS considered a gift by IRS, I > assume I can avoid it by either adding my name to her > account (in which case, only I will withdrawn the money when > needed) or remove the money from her account and put in an > account of my own? > Please advise. Thanks. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| - quote - > If I put money (> $100K) in an account in my sister's name to
In the world of taxes, it's not what you say but what you> keep for a while(nothing to do with taxes), will I have to > pay gift tax? This is NOT a gift and she is only keeping it > for me for a certain period of time. Afterwards, I will > take the money back and either spend or put into an account > of my own. > What criteria does IRS use for determining when a gift tax > should be paid? If this IS considered a gift by IRS, I > assume I can avoid it by either adding my name to her > account (in which case, only I will withdrawn the money when > needed) or remove the money from her account and put in an > account of my own? do. You don't define how long your "certain period of time" is, so that is important. If the time period is in years, then you will have to accrue interest since it will be considered a loan. If it's in decades, as in "Here's $100K give it back to me in 30 years" then the IRS will most likely call it a gift. Also, the purpose of shifting this asset out of your name comes into play. Why are you letting your sister hold on to $100K of your money for a while? Once it's out of your name and in your sister's name, what if she decides not to give it back, or what if she dies? -- Robert J. Romano, CPA 99 Massachusetts Avenue-Suite 4 Arlington, Massachusetts 02474-8600 www.romanocpa.com << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| tammy_gutter[at]yahoo.com (Tammy) wrote: - quote - > If I put money (> $100K) in an account in my sister's name to
Since there are several nefarious reasons for wanting to do> keep for a while(nothing to do with taxes), will I have to > pay gift tax? This is NOT a gift and she is only keeping it > for me for a certain period of time. Afterwards, I will > take the money back and either spend or put into an account > of my own. this, and no legitimate one that I can see, it makes me wonder just what you are trying to accomplish by such a transaction. It looks like you are planning to conceal assets (on your part) or make a false show of assets (on her part). - quote - > What criteria does IRS use for determining when a gift tax
Transferring property (such as money) to someone else, for> should be paid? If this IS considered a gift by IRS, I > assume I can avoid it by either adding my name to her > account (in which case, only I will withdrawn the money when > needed) or remove the money from her account and put in an > account of my own? something less than its fair market value, stands a chance of being considered a gift. When it is between relatives, it stands a chance of being looked at closely to determine whether it is a gift. When it is between relatives, and nobody can point to an arm's-length business deal or even an agreement to repay, it looks just as much like a gift as a duck looks like a duck. If you give money to your sister, without an agreement to repay you, you have most likely made a gift. If there is an agreement to repay, you have most likely made a loan. If you make a loan at no interest, you may still have made a taxable gift: the IRS imputes interest on the loan, and this imputed interest is treated as interest income to you and a gift of that income from you to her. Everybody starts out with a substantial unified tax credit, which covers both gift and estate tax. Taxable gifts exceeding your annual deduction (you can give up to $11,000 per person to anybody, and spouses can make gifts of any amount to each other) use up some of your unified tax credit. Only when this is exhausted do you pay current gift tax or estate tax. Putting the money in a joint account may or may not do what you want. Joint accounts are owned in proportion to the contributions of each owner: if you put in all the money, it is still all yours, and none of it is your sister's. If your sister withdraws any of it, it is a gift from you to her. Note that if your sister has creditors, they may be able to satisfy their debts out of the account. -- Chris Green << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Tammy wrote: - quote - > If I put money (> $100K) in an account in my sister's name to
If you want to receive intelligent answers, you will have to> keep for a while(nothing to do with taxes), will I have to > pay gift tax? This is NOT a gift and she is only keeping it > for me for a certain period of time. Afterwards, I will > take the money back and either spend or put into an account > of my own. explain exactly WHY you are doing this, and WHAT YOU EXPECT to accomplish. If you are trying to conceal money from a spouse or other creditors, may I politely suggest that this is not the proper forum to discuss such matters. MTW << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Tammy wrote: - quote - > If I put money (> $100K) in an account in my sister's name to
It's not a gift so no gift tax should be incurred. Be sure> keep for a while(nothing to do with taxes), will I have to > pay gift tax? This is NOT a gift and she is only keeping it > for me for a certain period of time. Afterwards, I will > take the money back and either spend or put into an account > of my own. you document the transaction and what it is for, just in case someone questions it, though. - quote - > What criteria does IRS use for determining when a gift tax
They look to see if there was an actual gift, something of> should be paid? value given for less than full consideration. If not, it's not a gift. Stu << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| If I put money (> $100K) in an account in my sister's name to keep for a while(nothing to do with taxes), will I have to pay gift tax? This is NOT a gift and she is only keeping it for me for a certain period of time. Afterwards, I will take the money back and either spend or put into an account of my own. What criteria does IRS use for determining when a gift tax should be paid? If this IS considered a gift by IRS, I assume I can avoid it by either adding my name to her account (in which case, only I will withdrawn the money when needed) or remove the money from her account and put in an account of my own? Please advise. Thanks. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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