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Old 10-04-2004, 03:17 PM
David Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU
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"Arthur L. Rubin" <ronnirubin[at]sprintmail.com> wrote:
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> Herb Smith wrote:

> > ... IF the estate is large enough to require
> > the filing of Form 706 (Estate Tax Return), the executor
> > might choose to value the assets on the date 6 months later
> > (Alternate Valuation Date).
> > > This latter option is only given to the EXECUTOR, and only

> > if an estate return needs to be filed. All other estates use
> > date of death.


> I would like to request a clarification. Is that the case
> ONLY if an estate return needs to be filed (and the value of
> the estate is less at the 6 months mark than at the time of
> death), or only if an estate return IS filed?


The key here is that using the election must result in lower
estate tax, not just that the value of the estate is lower.
If no return is being filed to begin with due to not meeting
the taxable threshold, the election cannot be made.

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David M. Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU
Woods Financial Services
Norwood, MA 02062
www.woods-financial.com

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Old 10-04-2004, 02:19 PM
Herb Smith
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"Martha Matthews, EA" <Ymtsmv[at]earthlink.net> wrote:
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> smithff33[at]aol.com (Herb Smith) wrote in

> > SNIP


> > > The basis for equities is the value of the stock on the day
> > > of death or 9 months later.


> > Not quite correct. The basis is "stepped up" to the FMV of

> SNIP


> > This latter option is only given to the EXECUTOR, and only
> > if an estate return needs to be filed. All other estates use
> > date of death.


> The alternate date of death value can be used only if it
> reduces tax.


If an Estate Tax Return does NOT need to be filed, there is
NO federal tax to be paid (or reduced). The alternate
valuation date does not apply in such a situation.

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Old 10-04-2004, 02:00 PM
Stuart Bronstein
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Default Re: Basis of stock in an estate?

Arthur L. Rubin wrote:
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> Herb Smith wrote:

> > ... IF the estate is large enough to require
> > the filing of Form 706 (Estate Tax Return), the executor
> > might choose to value the assets on the date 6 months later
> > (Alternate Valuation Date).
> > > This latter option is only given to the EXECUTOR, and only

> > if an estate return needs to be filed. All other estates use
> > date of death.


> I would like to request a clarification. Is that the case
> ONLY if an estate return needs to be filed (and the value of
> the estate is less at the 6 months mark than at the time of
> death), or only if an estate return IS filed?


My recollection is that the election must be taken on the
timely-filed 706 or it is lost.

Stu

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Old 10-02-2004, 10:49 AM
Gene E. Utterback, EA
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"Herb Smith" <smithff33[at]aol.com> wrote:
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> "msmap" <msmap[at]houston.rr.com> wrote:
> > "John" <John[at]john.com> wrote:


> > > For estate purposes, is stock valued at the deceased's
> > > basis, or at market value?
> > > > > I am pretty sure it is valued at the gifter's basis on a
> > > give, but maybe an estate is different?


> > The basis for equities is the value of the stock on the day
> > of death or 9 months later.


> Not quite correct. The basis is "stepped up" to the FMV of
> the stock on the date of death (with some adjustments if
> that happens to be a weekend, holiday, or other day that the
> market is closed). IF the estate is large enough to require
> the filing of Form 706 (Estate Tax Return), the executor
> might choose to value the assets on the date 6 months later
> (Alternate Valuation Date).
> This latter option is only given to the EXECUTOR, and only
> if an estate return needs to be filed. All other estates use
> date of death.


To fine tune the last response just a bit - the basis is
"ADJUSTED" to the FMV on the date used for valuation.
Frequently, we use the phrase "step up" but that is not
really correct. The basis is "adjusted" and that adjustment
could be up or down depending on the market and the
decedent's basis. When the market "burped" recently, we had
a client who inherited some investments that had the basis
adjusted up, but there were also some purchased that had to
have their basis adjusted down.

Gene E. Utterback, EA

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Old 10-02-2004, 10:49 AM
Martha Matthews, EA
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smithff33[at]aol.com (Herb Smith) wrote in

- quote -

> SNIP

> > The basis for equities is the value of the stock on the day
> > of death or 9 months later.


> Not quite correct. The basis is "stepped up" to the FMV of

SNIP

- quote -

> This latter option is only given to the EXECUTOR, and only
> if an estate return needs to be filed. All other estates use
> date of death.


The alternate date of death value can be used only if it
reduces tax.

Martha Matthews, EA

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Old 10-02-2004, 09:32 AM
Arthur L. Rubin
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Herb Smith wrote:

- quote -

> ... IF the estate is large enough to require
> the filing of Form 706 (Estate Tax Return), the executor
> might choose to value the assets on the date 6 months later
> (Alternate Valuation Date).
> This latter option is only given to the EXECUTOR, and only
> if an estate return needs to be filed. All other estates use
> date of death.


I would like to request a clarification. Is that the case
ONLY if an estate return needs to be filed (and the value of
the estate is less at the 6 months mark than at the time of
death), or only if an estate return IS filed?

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Old 10-02-2004, 08:35 AM
Martha Matthews, EA
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"John" <John[at]john.com> wrote in

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> For estate purposes, is stock valued at the deceased's
> basis, or at market value?
> I am pretty sure it is valued at the gifter's basis on a
> give, but maybe an estate is different?


Stock is valued at FMV on the date of death or the alternate
date of death value if it will reduce federal tax. Valuation
is done by taking the mean of the high and low for the day
(if the market is not open then the mean of the day before
death and the day after death when the market was open).
Interest accrued but not paid at the date of death and
dividends which are declared after the "x" date or declared
before the date of death but paid after must also be
included.

Brokers rarely give the correct value and the IRS does
review by using a software program which you can use as
well.

Martha Matthews, EA

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Old 09-28-2004, 08:21 PM
Herb Smith
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"msmap" <msmap[at]houston.rr.com> wrote:
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> "John" <John[at]john.com> wrote:

> > For estate purposes, is stock valued at the deceased's
> > basis, or at market value?
> > > I am pretty sure it is valued at the gifter's basis on a

> > give, but maybe an estate is different?


> The basis for equities is the value of the stock on the day
> of death or 9 months later.


Not quite correct. The basis is "stepped up" to the FMV of
the stock on the date of death (with some adjustments if
that happens to be a weekend, holiday, or other day that the
market is closed). IF the estate is large enough to require
the filing of Form 706 (Estate Tax Return), the executor
might choose to value the assets on the date 6 months later
(Alternate Valuation Date).

This latter option is only given to the EXECUTOR, and only
if an estate return needs to be filed. All other estates use
date of death.

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Old 09-23-2004, 03:14 AM
Bill
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John[at]john.com (John) posted:

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> For estate purposes, is stock valued at the
> deceased's basis, or at market value?
> I am pretty sure it is valued at the gifter's basis
> on a give, but maybe an estate is different?


Stock is valued at the market price on the date of death.
That becomes the "basis" for the inheritor, when eventually
selling the stock.

Bill

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Old 09-23-2004, 03:14 AM
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"John" <John[at]john.com> wrote:

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> For estate purposes, is stock valued at the deceased's
> basis, or at market value?
> I am pretty sure it is valued at the gifter's basis on a
> give, but maybe an estate is different?


The basis for equities is the value of the stock on the day
of death or 9 months later.

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Old 09-23-2004, 02:55 AM
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For estate purposes, you are to have a formal probate or
trust inventory as of the date of death. So all assets are
valued as of the date of death or an alternate valuation
period.

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Old 09-23-2004, 02:55 AM
David Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU
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"John" <John[at]john.com> wrote:

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> For estate purposes, is stock valued at the deceased's
> basis, or at market value?
> I am pretty sure it is valued at the gifter's basis on a
> give, but maybe an estate is different?


You're incorrect. It's date of death value.

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Woods Financial Services
Norwood, MA 02062
www.woods-financial.com

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Old 09-23-2004, 02:36 AM
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"John" <John[at]john.com> wrote:

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> For estate purposes, is stock valued at the deceased's
> basis, or at market value?
> I am pretty sure it is valued at the gifter's basis on a
> give, but maybe an estate is different?


See Pub 559 for some basics. On death, all assets of the
decedent are "stepped up" to FMV on the date of death (or
possibly six months later if there is a taxable estate and
the executor chooses the alternate valuation date). The
decedent's basis no longer applies, and the holding period
automatically becomes "long term", regardless of how long
the decedent held the asset.

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Old 09-23-2004, 02:35 AM
Tom Healy
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> For estate purposes, is stock valued at the deceased's
> basis, or at market value?
> I am pretty sure it is valued at the gifter's basis on a
> give, but maybe an estate is different?


It is valued at market value on the date of death (at least
until 2010).

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Old 09-23-2004, 02:16 AM
John H. Fisher
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Default Re: Basis of stock in an estate?

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> For estate purposes, is stock valued at the deceased's
> basis, or at market value?
> I am pretty sure it is valued at the gifter's basis on a
> give, but maybe an estate is different?


Under current law, there is a step up in basis which
generally is the FMV on the date of the decedents passing.

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Old 09-22-2004, 02:24 AM
John
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Default Basis of stock in an estate?

For estate purposes, is stock valued at the deceased's
basis, or at market value?

I am pretty sure it is valued at the gifter's basis on a
give, but maybe an estate is different?

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