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| "Arthur L. Rubin" <ronnirubin[at]sprintmail.com> wrote: - quote - > Herb Smith wrote:
The key here is that using the election must result in lower> > ... IF the estate is large enough to require > > the filing of Form 706 (Estate Tax Return), the executor > > might choose to value the assets on the date 6 months later > > (Alternate Valuation Date). > > > This latter option is only given to the EXECUTOR, and only > > if an estate return needs to be filed. All other estates use > > date of death. > I would like to request a clarification. Is that the case > ONLY if an estate return needs to be filed (and the value of > the estate is less at the 6 months mark than at the time of > death), or only if an estate return IS filed? estate tax, not just that the value of the estate is lower. If no return is being filed to begin with due to not meeting the taxable threshold, the election cannot be made. -- David M. Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU Woods Financial Services Norwood, MA 02062 www.woods-financial.com << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Martha Matthews, EA" <Ymtsmv[at]earthlink.net> wrote: - quote - > smithff33[at]aol.com (Herb Smith) wrote in
If an Estate Tax Return does NOT need to be filed, there is> > SNIP > > > The basis for equities is the value of the stock on the day > > > of death or 9 months later. > > Not quite correct. The basis is "stepped up" to the FMV of > SNIP > > This latter option is only given to the EXECUTOR, and only > > if an estate return needs to be filed. All other estates use > > date of death. > The alternate date of death value can be used only if it > reduces tax. NO federal tax to be paid (or reduced). The alternate valuation date does not apply in such a situation. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Arthur L. Rubin wrote: - quote - > Herb Smith wrote:
My recollection is that the election must be taken on the> > ... IF the estate is large enough to require > > the filing of Form 706 (Estate Tax Return), the executor > > might choose to value the assets on the date 6 months later > > (Alternate Valuation Date). > > > This latter option is only given to the EXECUTOR, and only > > if an estate return needs to be filed. All other estates use > > date of death. > I would like to request a clarification. Is that the case > ONLY if an estate return needs to be filed (and the value of > the estate is less at the 6 months mark than at the time of > death), or only if an estate return IS filed? timely-filed 706 or it is lost. Stu << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Herb Smith" <smithff33[at]aol.com> wrote: - quote - > "msmap" <msmap[at]houston.rr.com> wrote:
To fine tune the last response just a bit - the basis is> > "John" <John[at]john.com> wrote: > > > For estate purposes, is stock valued at the deceased's > > > basis, or at market value? > > > > > I am pretty sure it is valued at the gifter's basis on a > > > give, but maybe an estate is different? > > The basis for equities is the value of the stock on the day > > of death or 9 months later. > Not quite correct. The basis is "stepped up" to the FMV of > the stock on the date of death (with some adjustments if > that happens to be a weekend, holiday, or other day that the > market is closed). IF the estate is large enough to require > the filing of Form 706 (Estate Tax Return), the executor > might choose to value the assets on the date 6 months later > (Alternate Valuation Date). > This latter option is only given to the EXECUTOR, and only > if an estate return needs to be filed. All other estates use > date of death. "ADJUSTED" to the FMV on the date used for valuation. Frequently, we use the phrase "step up" but that is not really correct. The basis is "adjusted" and that adjustment could be up or down depending on the market and the decedent's basis. When the market "burped" recently, we had a client who inherited some investments that had the basis adjusted up, but there were also some purchased that had to have their basis adjusted down. Gene E. Utterback, EA << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| smithff33[at]aol.com (Herb Smith) wrote in - quote - > SNIP > > The basis for equities is the value of the stock on the day > > of death or 9 months later. > Not quite correct. The basis is "stepped up" to the FMV of SNIP - quote - > This latter option is only given to the EXECUTOR, and only
The alternate date of death value can be used only if it> if an estate return needs to be filed. All other estates use > date of death. reduces tax. Martha Matthews, EA << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Herb Smith wrote: - quote - > ... IF the estate is large enough to require
I would like to request a clarification. Is that the case> the filing of Form 706 (Estate Tax Return), the executor > might choose to value the assets on the date 6 months later > (Alternate Valuation Date). > This latter option is only given to the EXECUTOR, and only > if an estate return needs to be filed. All other estates use > date of death. ONLY if an estate return needs to be filed (and the value of the estate is less at the 6 months mark than at the time of death), or only if an estate return IS filed? << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "John" <John[at]john.com> wrote in - quote - > For estate purposes, is stock valued at the deceased's
Stock is valued at FMV on the date of death or the alternate> basis, or at market value? > I am pretty sure it is valued at the gifter's basis on a > give, but maybe an estate is different? date of death value if it will reduce federal tax. Valuation is done by taking the mean of the high and low for the day (if the market is not open then the mean of the day before death and the day after death when the market was open). Interest accrued but not paid at the date of death and dividends which are declared after the "x" date or declared before the date of death but paid after must also be included. Brokers rarely give the correct value and the IRS does review by using a software program which you can use as well. Martha Matthews, EA << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "msmap" <msmap[at]houston.rr.com> wrote: - quote - > "John" <John[at]john.com> wrote:
Not quite correct. The basis is "stepped up" to the FMV of> > For estate purposes, is stock valued at the deceased's > > basis, or at market value? > > > I am pretty sure it is valued at the gifter's basis on a > > give, but maybe an estate is different? > The basis for equities is the value of the stock on the day > of death or 9 months later. the stock on the date of death (with some adjustments if that happens to be a weekend, holiday, or other day that the market is closed). IF the estate is large enough to require the filing of Form 706 (Estate Tax Return), the executor might choose to value the assets on the date 6 months later (Alternate Valuation Date). This latter option is only given to the EXECUTOR, and only if an estate return needs to be filed. All other estates use date of death. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| John[at]john.com (John) posted: - quote - > For estate purposes, is stock valued at the
Stock is valued at the market price on the date of death.> deceased's basis, or at market value? > I am pretty sure it is valued at the gifter's basis > on a give, but maybe an estate is different? That becomes the "basis" for the inheritor, when eventually selling the stock. Bill << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "John" <John[at]john.com> wrote: - quote - > For estate purposes, is stock valued at the deceased's
The basis for equities is the value of the stock on the day> basis, or at market value? > I am pretty sure it is valued at the gifter's basis on a > give, but maybe an estate is different? of death or 9 months later. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| For estate purposes, you are to have a formal probate or trust inventory as of the date of death. So all assets are valued as of the date of death or an alternate valuation period. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "John" <John[at]john.com> wrote: - quote - > For estate purposes, is stock valued at the deceased's
You're incorrect. It's date of death value.> basis, or at market value? > I am pretty sure it is valued at the gifter's basis on a > give, but maybe an estate is different? -- David M. Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU Woods Financial Services Norwood, MA 02062 www.woods-financial.com << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "John" <John[at]john.com> wrote: - quote - > For estate purposes, is stock valued at the deceased's
See Pub 559 for some basics. On death, all assets of the> basis, or at market value? > I am pretty sure it is valued at the gifter's basis on a > give, but maybe an estate is different? decedent are "stepped up" to FMV on the date of death (or possibly six months later if there is a taxable estate and the executor chooses the alternate valuation date). The decedent's basis no longer applies, and the holding period automatically becomes "long term", regardless of how long the decedent held the asset. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| - quote - > For estate purposes, is stock valued at the deceased's
It is valued at market value on the date of death (at least> basis, or at market value? > I am pretty sure it is valued at the gifter's basis on a > give, but maybe an estate is different? until 2010). -- Thomas E Healy, CPA, PC 1650 38th St., Ste 202W Boulder, CO 80301 Please send email to: tom[at]tomhealycpa.com, since I block all email at my newsgroup address. phone (303) 443-1804 fax (720) 489-3772 << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| - quote - > For estate purposes, is stock valued at the deceased's
Under current law, there is a step up in basis which> basis, or at market value? > I am pretty sure it is valued at the gifter's basis on a > give, but maybe an estate is different? generally is the FMV on the date of the decedents passing. "Jack" - John H. Fisher - TaxService[at]aol.com Philadelphia, Pa - Atlantic City, NJ - West Wildwood, NJ My Newsgroups & Boards at: http://members.aol.com/TaxService/index.html Where Ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise!= ![]() << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| For estate purposes, is stock valued at the deceased's basis, or at market value? I am pretty sure it is valued at the gifter's basis on a give, but maybe an estate is different? << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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