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Old 09-23-2004, 03:52 AM
Gene E. Utterback, EA
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> > Husband and Wife own a house as tenancy by entirety
> > purchased in 1952 in Massachusetts. Husband dies in 1980.
> > Wife inherits at that time. Wife deeds property to her 4
> > children in 1992, retains a life estate, and subsequently
> > dies in 2003.
> > > The home will be sold next week.
> > > For tax purposes, I believe that the basis is as described

> > in a previous post - ie, 1/2 original cost + 1/2 value at
> > time of husband's death + various improvements.


> ***The only thing wrong, with this part of your inquiry, is
> that 1/2 the original cost + 1/2 value at time of death +
> various improvements is not valid when calculating the step
> up in basis.
> The step up at the time of the husband's passing would be
> 1/2 the value of the property on the date of his death.


> > Question is: I was told that the life estate keeps the
> > property in her estate and that the property stepped up in
> > 2003 when she died. Thus, next week when the property is
> > sold, the taxable gain to the 4 children is minimal (value
> > at sale minus value in 2003 at her death). True?


> ****The value, on the date of death (likely) is the stepped
> up basis used in determining the children's basis. Subtract
> it + the costs of selling (and any improvements made prior
> to sale) from the selling price to determine gain/loss.


Life estate property gets stepped up to full FMV at date of
death of the last person to hold the retained life estate.

Gene E. Utterback, EA

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Old 09-22-2004, 01:27 AM
Stuart Bronstein
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Rich Carreiro wrote:
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> Stuart Bronstein <spamtrap[at]lexregia.com> writes:

> > When the life estate is created, Wife transfers only a
> > partial interest in the property to the kids. If the
> > actuarial value of what is transferred is 60%, then that
> > portion retains Wife's basis. The balance, the part
> > transferred upon death, would get stepped up basis.


> But doesn't the Code or Regs say that a life estate
> is completely pulled back into the decedent's estate
> for estate tax purposes, and therefore a normal, full
> basis step-up is obtained?


Whoops! You're right. Section 2036 includes the value of
"all property" transferred by a decident "under which he has
retained for his life or any period not ascertainable
without reference to his death" the possession of property
or the right to decide who is entitled to possession.

Stu

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Old 09-17-2004, 10:42 PM
Rich Carreiro
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Stuart Bronstein <spamtrap[at]lexregia.com> writes:

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> When the life estate is created, Wife transfers only a
> partial interest in the property to the kids. If the
> actuarial value of what is transferred is 60%, then that
> portion retains Wife's basis. The balance, the part
> transferred upon death, would get stepped up basis.


But doesn't the Code or Regs say that a life estate
is completely pulled back into the decedent's estate
for estate tax purposes, and therefore a normal, full
basis step-up is obtained?

--
Rich Carreiro rlcarr[at]animato.arlington.ma.us

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Old 09-17-2004, 08:14 PM
Stuart Bronstein
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DaveCPA wrote:

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> Husband and Wife own a house as tenancy by entirety
> purchased in 1952 in Massachusetts. Husband dies in 1980.
> Wife inherits at that time. Wife deeds property to her 4
> children in 1992, retains a life estate, and subsequently
> dies in 2003.
> Question is: I was told that the life estate keeps the
> property in her estate and that the property stepped up in
> 2003 when she died. Thus, next week when the property is
> sold, the taxable gain to the 4 children is minimal (value
> at sale minus value in 2003 at her death). True?


Here's my guess of how it should go:

When the life estate is created, Wife transfers only a
partial interest in the property to the kids. If the
actuarial value of what is transferred is 60%, then that
portion retains Wife's basis. The balance, the part
transferred upon death, would get stepped up basis.

Stu

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Old 09-17-2004, 07:16 PM
John H. Fisher
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Default Re: Tax Basis in Inherited Real Estate

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> Husband and Wife own a house as tenancy by entirety
> purchased in 1952 in Massachusetts. Husband dies in 1980.
> Wife inherits at that time. Wife deeds property to her 4
> children in 1992, retains a life estate, and subsequently
> dies in 2003.
> The home will be sold next week.
> For tax purposes, I believe that the basis is as described
> in a previous post - ie, 1/2 original cost + 1/2 value at
> time of husband's death + various improvements.


***The only thing wrong, with this part of your inquiry, is
that 1/2 the original cost + 1/2 value at time of death +
various improvements is not valid when calculating the step
up in basis.

The step up at the time of the husband's passing would be
1/2 the value of the property on the date of his death.

- quote -

> Question is: I was told that the life estate keeps the
> property in her estate and that the property stepped up in
> 2003 when she died. Thus, next week when the property is
> sold, the taxable gain to the 4 children is minimal (value
> at sale minus value in 2003 at her death). True?


****The value, on the date of death (likely) is the stepped
up basis used in determining the children's basis. Subtract
it + the costs of selling (and any improvements made prior
to sale) from the selling price to determine gain/loss.

"Jack" - John H. Fisher - TaxService[at]aol.com
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Old 09-16-2004, 05:02 AM
DaveCPA
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Default Tax Basis in Inherited Real Estate

Husband and Wife own a house as tenancy by entirety
purchased in 1952 in Massachusetts. Husband dies in 1980.
Wife inherits at that time. Wife deeds property to her 4
children in 1992, retains a life estate, and subsequently
dies in 2003.

The home will be sold next week.

For tax purposes, I believe that the basis is as described
in a previous post - ie, 1/2 original cost + 1/2 value at
time of husband's death + various improvements.

Question is: I was told that the life estate keeps the
property in her estate and that the property stepped up in
2003 when she died. Thus, next week when the property is
sold, the taxable gain to the 4 children is minimal (value
at sale minus value in 2003 at her death). True?

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