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| - quote - > > Husband and Wife own a house as tenancy by entirety
Life estate property gets stepped up to full FMV at date of> > purchased in 1952 in Massachusetts. Husband dies in 1980. > > Wife inherits at that time. Wife deeds property to her 4 > > children in 1992, retains a life estate, and subsequently > > dies in 2003. > > > The home will be sold next week. > > > For tax purposes, I believe that the basis is as described > > in a previous post - ie, 1/2 original cost + 1/2 value at > > time of husband's death + various improvements. > ***The only thing wrong, with this part of your inquiry, is > that 1/2 the original cost + 1/2 value at time of death + > various improvements is not valid when calculating the step > up in basis. > The step up at the time of the husband's passing would be > 1/2 the value of the property on the date of his death. > > Question is: I was told that the life estate keeps the > > property in her estate and that the property stepped up in > > 2003 when she died. Thus, next week when the property is > > sold, the taxable gain to the 4 children is minimal (value > > at sale minus value in 2003 at her death). True? > ****The value, on the date of death (likely) is the stepped > up basis used in determining the children's basis. Subtract > it + the costs of selling (and any improvements made prior > to sale) from the selling price to determine gain/loss. death of the last person to hold the retained life estate. Gene E. Utterback, EA << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Rich Carreiro wrote: - quote - > Stuart Bronstein <spamtrap[at]lexregia.com> writes:
Whoops! You're right. Section 2036 includes the value of> > When the life estate is created, Wife transfers only a > > partial interest in the property to the kids. If the > > actuarial value of what is transferred is 60%, then that > > portion retains Wife's basis. The balance, the part > > transferred upon death, would get stepped up basis. > But doesn't the Code or Regs say that a life estate > is completely pulled back into the decedent's estate > for estate tax purposes, and therefore a normal, full > basis step-up is obtained? "all property" transferred by a decident "under which he has retained for his life or any period not ascertainable without reference to his death" the possession of property or the right to decide who is entitled to possession. Stu << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Stuart Bronstein <spamtrap[at]lexregia.com> writes: - quote - > When the life estate is created, Wife transfers only a
But doesn't the Code or Regs say that a life estate> partial interest in the property to the kids. If the > actuarial value of what is transferred is 60%, then that > portion retains Wife's basis. The balance, the part > transferred upon death, would get stepped up basis. is completely pulled back into the decedent's estate for estate tax purposes, and therefore a normal, full basis step-up is obtained? -- Rich Carreiro rlcarr[at]animato.arlington.ma.us << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| DaveCPA wrote: - quote - > Husband and Wife own a house as tenancy by entirety
Here's my guess of how it should go:> purchased in 1952 in Massachusetts. Husband dies in 1980. > Wife inherits at that time. Wife deeds property to her 4 > children in 1992, retains a life estate, and subsequently > dies in 2003. > Question is: I was told that the life estate keeps the > property in her estate and that the property stepped up in > 2003 when she died. Thus, next week when the property is > sold, the taxable gain to the 4 children is minimal (value > at sale minus value in 2003 at her death). True? When the life estate is created, Wife transfers only a partial interest in the property to the kids. If the actuarial value of what is transferred is 60%, then that portion retains Wife's basis. The balance, the part transferred upon death, would get stepped up basis. Stu << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| - quote - > Husband and Wife own a house as tenancy by entirety
***The only thing wrong, with this part of your inquiry, is> purchased in 1952 in Massachusetts. Husband dies in 1980. > Wife inherits at that time. Wife deeds property to her 4 > children in 1992, retains a life estate, and subsequently > dies in 2003. > The home will be sold next week. > For tax purposes, I believe that the basis is as described > in a previous post - ie, 1/2 original cost + 1/2 value at > time of husband's death + various improvements. that 1/2 the original cost + 1/2 value at time of death + various improvements is not valid when calculating the step up in basis. The step up at the time of the husband's passing would be 1/2 the value of the property on the date of his death. - quote - > Question is: I was told that the life estate keeps the
****The value, on the date of death (likely) is the stepped> property in her estate and that the property stepped up in > 2003 when she died. Thus, next week when the property is > sold, the taxable gain to the 4 children is minimal (value > at sale minus value in 2003 at her death). True? up basis used in determining the children's basis. Subtract it + the costs of selling (and any improvements made prior to sale) from the selling price to determine gain/loss. "Jack" - John H. Fisher - TaxService[at]aol.com Philadelphia, Pa - Atlantic City, NJ - West Wildwood, NJ My Newsgroups & Boards at: http://members.aol.com/TaxService/index.html Where Ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise!= ![]() << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Husband and Wife own a house as tenancy by entirety purchased in 1952 in Massachusetts. Husband dies in 1980. Wife inherits at that time. Wife deeds property to her 4 children in 1992, retains a life estate, and subsequently dies in 2003. The home will be sold next week. For tax purposes, I believe that the basis is as described in a previous post - ie, 1/2 original cost + 1/2 value at time of husband's death + various improvements. Question is: I was told that the life estate keeps the property in her estate and that the property stepped up in 2003 when she died. Thus, next week when the property is sold, the taxable gain to the 4 children is minimal (value at sale minus value in 2003 at her death). True? << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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