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| D. Stussy wrote: - quote - > I think that the concept there was that the right to receive
But per the facts in the case, the wife only owned HALF the> that income was itself an asset - and that asset (a > receivable) transferred incident to divorce, thus resulting > in an assignment of income. One cannot exclude what one > isn't entitled to in the first place. options. Why, then, was the husband allowed (apparently) to avoid paying tax on ALL of them? As I think I stated earlier in this thread, the income should be taxed to the person that OWNS it, not the person the RECEIVES it (except to the extent of ownership). MTW << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| MTW wrote: - quote - > In this recent case, Tovar vs. Commissioner, TC Summary 2004-120,
I think that the concept there was that the right to receive> 9/2/04, the tax court once again pointed out that it ain't > alimony unless the decree (or applicable state law) provides that > there in no liability for payment after the recipient's death. > But, there was a queer comment in Footnote 5: "Since the proceeds > [of the husband's stock options] were all distributed to the > former wife, the tax, if any, on those proceeds rested with her. > Sec. 1041." > Wow! I guess the Tax Court has re-written Section 1041 !!! Since > when does the tax liability flow to the spouse who receives the > proceeds ??? The result, it appears, was to allow the husband an > EXCLUSION for the income in lieu of an alimony DEDUCTION. > Weird... that income was itself an asset - and that asset (a receivable) transferred incident to divorce, thus resulting in an assignment of income. One cannot exclude what one isn't entitled to in the first place. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| John H. Fisher wrote: - quote - > I don't see any conflict here, Mike??? What has the
As I understand the facts of the case, here is what SHOULD> distribution to do with alimony?? Certainly (unless I've > missed something), the husband is not claiming an alimony > deduction and the wife is not reporting the proceeds (if > there were any) as alimony received. have happened: The proceeds of the options should have been included on the husband's W-2 and therefore reported on his return. Then, had he been entitled to a deduction for alimony, he would have claimed an appropriate deduction, thereby resulting (more or less) in ZERO net tax liability on these transactions. However, the court ruled that the husband was not entitled to a deduction for alimony. In spite of that, the wife was apparently deemed to be the owner of half the options. So, in that case, I would then have expected to see a deduction (or perhaps "exclusion" is a better term) on line 21 of the husband's return labeled, "Less portion of stock option income included on line 7 received as nominee on behalf of former spouse," or something like that. The net result would be that the husband ends up liable for tax on HALF the option income. But, the court was EMPHATIC on the point that the husband had NOT reported any of the option income on his return. So, all the court accomplished by denying the alimony deduction was to prevent a "double dip" (by preventing a deduction for income that wasn't included in the return in the first place). The court came no way near to creating the PROPER result (unless, of course, there were additional facts not fully stated in the opinion). Instead, the husband ended up with exactly the same result as would have occurred had he properly reported the option income AND been entitled to an alimony deduction. This was wrong. In my opinion he should have ended up liable for tax on HALF the option income. Now, as to the confusing footnote, it has always been my understanding that the tax liability in a divorce situation remains with the "owner" of the income, regardless of how the proceeds are distributed. But, this court apparently disagrees. So, [tongue in cheek] the next time a client has to liquidate an IRA because they have no other way to come up with a cash amount necessary to "settle" a divorce decree, just ~try~ to cite this case as holding that the spouse receiving the cash is the one responsible for the tax and penalty on the IRA distribution! Bottom line: The husband lost the case, but he actually ended up better off than if his return had been prepared correctly! MTW << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "MTW" <mtwingcpa[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > > Wow! I guess the Tax Court has re-written Section 1041 !!! Since
I believe this was deemed to be property that the spouse> when does the tax liability flow to the spouse who receives the > proceeds ??? already owned. Thus, she was liable for the taxes. --- Richard B. Gardner, EA << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "MTW" <mtwingcpa[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > In this recent case, Tovar vs. Commissioner, TC Summary 2004-120,
Well apparently, as per the divorce agreement, she actually> 9/2/04, the tax court once again pointed out that it ain't > alimony unless the decree (or applicable state law) provides that > there in no liability for payment after the recipient's death. > But, there was a queer comment in Footnote 5: "Since the proceeds > [of the husband's stock options] were all distributed to the > former wife, the tax, if any, on those proceeds rested with her. > Sec. 1041." > Wow! I guess the Tax Court has re-written Section 1041 !!! Since > when does the tax liability flow to the spouse who receives the > proceeds ??? The result, it appears, was to allow the husband an > EXCLUSION for the income in lieu of an alimony DEDUCTION. > Weird... owned the options and the husband exercised the options both before AND after the divorce and simply remitted the proceeds to her. The editorial I read quoted the court as saying he didn't get the alimony deduction but that he DID'T (past tense) pay tax on the exercise of the options. They didn't rule on the taxability of the option exercise to him, they simply noted that he didn't pay tax on it and referred to his 2000 return. I think that whomever examined the return dropped the ball. I agree it was an odd footnote though. -- David M. Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU Woods Financial Services Norwood, MA 02062 www.woods-financial.com << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| MTW wrote: - quote - > In this recent case, Tovar vs. Commissioner, TC Summary 2004-120,
Proceeds of the sale would flow to the spouse if the spouse> 9/2/04, the tax court once again pointed out that it ain't > alimony unless the decree (or applicable state law) provides that > there in no liability for payment after the recipient's death. > But, there was a queer comment in Footnote 5: "Since the proceeds > [of the husband's stock options] were all distributed to the > former wife, the tax, if any, on those proceeds rested with her. > Sec. 1041." > Wow! I guess the Tax Court has re-written Section 1041 !!! Since > when does the tax liability flow to the spouse who receives the > proceeds ??? The result, it appears, was to allow the husband an > EXCLUSION for the income in lieu of an alimony DEDUCTION. > Weird... had an ownership interest in the options. The document states that she had a 50% interest. One could conclude that one half of any gain belonged to her and one-half belonged to him. There is no explanation as to why he gave her 100% of the proceeds rather than half. The statement in the footnote regarding proceeds and reference to Sec. 1041 makes no sense without further explanation. I suppose that's why you can't treat this opinion as precedent for another case. (:-D -- Alan http://taxtopics.net << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| - quote - > In this recent case, Tovar vs. Commissioner, TC Summary 2004-120,
I don't see any conflict here, Mike??? What has the> 9/2/04, the tax court once again pointed out that it ain't > alimony unless the decree (or applicable state law) provides that > there in no liability for payment after the recipient's death. > But, there was a queer comment in Footnote 5: "Since the proceeds > [of the husband's stock options] were all distributed to the > former wife, the tax, if any, on those proceeds rested with her. > Sec. 1041." > Wow! I guess the Tax Court has re-written Section 1041 !!! Since > when does the tax liability flow to the spouse who receives the > proceeds ??? The result, it appears, was to allow the husband an > EXCLUSION for the income in lieu of an alimony DEDUCTION. > Weird... distribution to do with alimony?? Certainly (unless I've missed something), the husband is not claiming an alimony deduction and the wife is not reporting the proceeds (if there were any) as alimony received. "Jack" - John H. Fisher - TaxService[at]aol.com Philadelphia, Pa - Atlantic City, NJ - West Wildwood, NJ My Newsgroups & Boards at: http://members.aol.com/TaxService/index.html Where Ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise!= ![]() << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| In this recent case, Tovar vs. Commissioner, TC Summary 2004-120, 9/2/04, the tax court once again pointed out that it ain't alimony unless the decree (or applicable state law) provides that there in no liability for payment after the recipient's death. But, there was a queer comment in Footnote 5: "Since the proceeds [of the husband's stock options] were all distributed to the former wife, the tax, if any, on those proceeds rested with her. Sec. 1041." Wow! I guess the Tax Court has re-written Section 1041 !!! Since when does the tax liability flow to the spouse who receives the proceeds ??? The result, it appears, was to allow the husband an EXCLUSION for the income in lieu of an alimony DEDUCTION. Weird... MTW << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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