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| Bruce Raskin CPA wrote: - quote - > Careless is an understatement here. I am surprised that
Yeah, I don't think we know whether they were or not. This> Block wasn't nailed by IRS on this one. But then, do we know > that they wern't? case, obviously, was between two private parties and the IRS wasn't involved as a litigant. And/or, as Ed suggests in his third point, there ~might~ have been some behind-the-scenes leverage going on. In any event, I share your observation that it is somewhat astounding that the return was filed in the first place. But, that said, the "carelessness" I had in mind was in (accidentally???) handing over Block's internal memos on this matter (in the absence of an enforceable subpoena requesting them). As I've often editorialized, you need to clean out those files and SHRED (prior to subpoenas arriving, of course) any "smoking gun" documents. The problem here is that Block had in fact signed the return including the bogus deductions, and I suppose they did so with the expectation of being able to prove that they had at least ~warned~ the client of the questionable items. Thus, they HAD to retain at least some of the prejudicial documents in order to cover their OWN butt. This, in my view, is NOT an appropriate way to practice! Had I been the judge, I probably would have thrown a heavier book at Block. But, obviously, the plaintiff didn't warrant much sympathy. <g MTW << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| - quote - > Check this out - the devious client vs. the careless (albeit
I am amazed that they even prepared the return When a> conscientious) preparer: Sorenson vs. H&R Block (1st Cir. > 2004) unpublished opinion dated 8/20/04. preparer signs a return he/she is stating that based upon the knowledge of the preparer, the return is correct. By signing the return, Block is as guilty as the taxpayer for taking deductions that are improper. Careless is an understatement here. I am surprised that Block wasn't nailed by IRS on this one. But then, do we know that they wern't? The only other thing I will say is that Block sure is consistent in their prep work. <g Bruce Raskin, CPA Small Business and Individual Tax and Accounting Services << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| MTW wrote: - quote - > I have no great point here other than that this case makes > for interesting reading. <g A few comments: First, had the preparer been a CPA, under most state laws the client likely could have pushed for state sanctions against the CPA in question. The only good news for said CPA is that the client in this case isn't a very sympathetic victim <grin> , and so it's very possible that not much action might be taken. But the client clearly was mad enough that I suspect he would have pushed matters (heck, he likely paid more to litigate and appeal this case than the damages would have been) and likely some blemish would have appeared on the CPA's record. Second, the above would change rather dramatically both for a CPA and a non-CPA if, rather than the civil case at the taxing agency level going against the client, the client had eventually prevailed. While the court clearly would not allow a shift of the taxes and penalties from the client to Block, had the client prevailed on the tax matter, I suspect the court would have been much more likely to have considered having Block pay for any legal and representation fees arguably created by the disclosure. Third, I think the preparer effectively "confessed" to an actionable item against him by the IRS when he revealed the "fraud" issue and the fact that he though he "should have turned the client in" for this matter. In essence, it's admission he signed a return that he believed was fraudulent. While we don't know, it's very possible the IRS used that as "leverage" <grin> in getting more information from the preparer. Fourth, I think Block was ultimately saved by the fact that they could document they had strongly advised the client against taking these positions, and he pushed the matter in spite of such advice. That made the "victim" even less of a sympathetic figure <grin> . I suspect that had the preparer simply "caved in" when the first objection came up from the client, the results again might not have been as favorable. Fifth, even though Block "won" the case, the cost of defending this case no doubt dwarfed the fee they got from it--which they ended up having to refund anyway. -- Ed Zollars, CPA Phoenix, Arizona << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Check this out - the devious client vs. the careless (albeit conscientious) preparer: Sorenson vs. H&R Block (1st Cir. 2004) unpublished opinion dated 8/20/04. The following link might work: http://www.ca1.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/...ON=03-2268.01A I have no great point here other than that this case makes for interesting reading. <g MTW << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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