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| Bob <bobhasanaccount[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > David Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU" <dwoods[at]woods-financial.com> wrote:
The key is to make the split (whether as part of the divorce> > It ISN'T alimony. If the split isn't specified to in the divorce agreement, > > its a taxable event. There is no way around that. More importantly, since > > you describe none of the exceptions to penalty, it would be subject to that > > as well. > OK... if I'm getting this right... I have to read pub 590 > first before asking more dumb questions. I'll come back with > any followup questions later. agreement, or on the side) a QDRO (Qualified Domestic Relations Order): to oversimplify, that means it's made according to a court order, in a form the IRA custodian recognizes as a QDRO. Your lawyer should know how to arrange for this; if he doesn't, you need a better lawyer. -- Chris Green << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Bob" <bobhasanaccount[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > David Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU" <dwoods[at]woods-financial.com> wrote:
Not sure why this is in response to my message. I generally> > It ISN'T alimony. If the split isn't specified to in the > > divorce agreement, its a taxable event. There is no way > > around that. More importantly, since you describe none of > > the exceptions to penalty, it would be subject to that > > as well. > OK... if I'm getting this right... I have to read pub 590 > first before asking more dumb questions. I'll come back with > any followup questions later. don't reference IRS Pubs nor did I make any comments regarding how "dumb" the question was. -- David M. Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU Woods Financial Services Norwood, MA 02062 www.woods-financial.com << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| David Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU" <dwoods[at]woods-financial.com> wrote: - quote - > It ISN'T alimony. If the split isn't specified to in the divorce agreement,
OK... if I'm getting this right... I have to read pub 590> its a taxable event. There is no way around that. More importantly, since > you describe none of the exceptions to penalty, it would be subject to that > as well. first before asking more dumb questions. I'll come back with any followup questions later. Thanks, << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| David Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU" <dwoods[at]woods-financial.com> wrote: - quote - > It ISN'T alimony. If the split isn't specified to in the divorce agreement,
OK... if I'm getting this right... I have to read pub 590> its a taxable event. There is no way around that. More importantly, since > you describe none of the exceptions to penalty, it would be subject to that > as well. first before asking more dumb questions. I'll come back with any followup questions later. Thanks, << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| - quote - > What mechanisms would be available to (legally, of course
Tax, no. Penalty, possibly, if the transaction met one of> :-) engineer a withdrawal of money from a SEP-IRA to be used > as part of a divorce settlement without a taxable event > and/or penalty ? I know (based on a thread here) that the > IRA can be split between spouses without a taxable event. > However, in this case, the goal would be to free up some of > the IRA funds to, for example, retire some joint debt and/or > the mortgage at divorce time. > Is there any way that it could be structured from a tax > viewpoint to pull that off without penalty and/or tax on the > withdrawal? the standard exceptions to the penalty described in IRS Publication 590. Phil Marti Topeka, KS << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Bob" <bobhasanaccount[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > What mechanisms would be available to (legally, of course
It ISN'T alimony. If the split isn't specified to in the divorce agreement,> :-) engineer a withdrawal of money from a SEP-IRA to be used > as part of a divorce settlement without a taxable event > and/or penalty ? I know (based on a thread here) that the > IRA can be split between spouses without a taxable event. > However, in this case, the goal would be to free up some of > the IRA funds to, for example, retire some joint debt and/or > the mortgage at divorce time. > Is there any way that it could be structured from a tax > viewpoint to pull that off without penalty and/or tax on the > withdrawal? For example, could the payment be legally > labeled as alimony and used by the spouse who receives it to > pay the debt? I'm *not* looking for some kind of > questionable deal - but something entirely legit that would > stand up to IRS scrutiny. I really would not want a tax > issue to arise later and be left holding the bag. It would > be better to engineer it into the bag right up front if > that's how it has to happen. its a taxable event. There is no way around that. More importantly, since you describe none of the exceptions to penalty, it would be subject to that as well. -- David M. Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU Woods Financial Services Norwood, MA 02062 www.woods-financial.com << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Bob <bobhasanaccount[at]yahoo.com> writes: - quote - > What mechanisms would be available to (legally, of course
Unless rollled over, the distributions will be taxable, no> :-) engineer a withdrawal of money from a SEP-IRA to be used > as part of a divorce settlement without a taxable event > and/or penalty ? I know (based on a thread here) that the > IRA can be split between spouses without a taxable event. > However, in this case, the goal would be to free up some of > the IRA funds to, for example, retire some joint debt and/or > the mortgage at divorce time. > Is there any way that it could be structured from a tax > viewpoint to pull that off without penalty and/or tax on the > withdrawal? For example, could the payment be legally > labeled as alimony and used by the spouse who receives it to > pay the debt? I'm *not* looking for some kind of > questionable deal - but something entirely legit that would > stand up to IRS scrutiny. I really would not want a tax > issue to arise later and be left holding the bag. It would > be better to engineer it into the bag right up front if > that's how it has to happen. matter what!! A 10% penalty may also be applied with the exception for distributions from a qualified retirement plan (other than an IRA) to an alternate payee under a qualified domestic relations order, "Jack" - John H. Fisher - TaxService[at]aol.com Philadelphia, Pa - Atlantic City, NJ - West Wildwood, NJ My Newsgroups & Boards at: http://members.aol.com/TaxService/index.html Where Ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise!= ![]() << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| What mechanisms would be available to (legally, of course :-) engineer a withdrawal of money from a SEP-IRA to be used as part of a divorce settlement without a taxable event and/or penalty ? I know (based on a thread here) that the IRA can be split between spouses without a taxable event. However, in this case, the goal would be to free up some of the IRA funds to, for example, retire some joint debt and/or the mortgage at divorce time. Is there any way that it could be structured from a tax viewpoint to pull that off without penalty and/or tax on the withdrawal? For example, could the payment be legally labeled as alimony and used by the spouse who receives it to pay the debt? I'm *not* looking for some kind of questionable deal - but something entirely legit that would stand up to IRS scrutiny. I really would not want a tax issue to arise later and be left holding the bag. It would be better to engineer it into the bag right up front if that's how it has to happen. Thanks, << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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