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Old 09-06-2004, 09:04 PM
Christopher Green
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Bob <bobhasanaccount[at]yahoo.com> wrote:

- quote -

> David Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU" <dwoods[at]woods-financial.com> wrote:

> > It ISN'T alimony. If the split isn't specified to in the divorce agreement,
> > its a taxable event. There is no way around that. More importantly, since
> > you describe none of the exceptions to penalty, it would be subject to that
> > as well.


> OK... if I'm getting this right... I have to read pub 590
> first before asking more dumb questions. I'll come back with
> any followup questions later.


The key is to make the split (whether as part of the divorce
agreement, or on the side) a QDRO (Qualified Domestic Relations
Order): to oversimplify, that means it's made according to a court
order, in a form the IRA custodian recognizes as a QDRO. Your lawyer
should know how to arrange for this; if he doesn't, you need a better
lawyer.

--
Chris Green

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Old 09-06-2004, 08:06 PM
David Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU
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"Bob"
<bobhasanaccount[at]yahoo.com> wrote:

- quote -

> David Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU" <dwoods[at]woods-financial.com> wrote:

> > It ISN'T alimony. If the split isn't specified to in the
> > divorce agreement, its a taxable event. There is no way
> > around that. More importantly, since you describe none of
> > the exceptions to penalty, it would be subject to that
> > as well.


> OK... if I'm getting this right... I have to read pub 590
> first before asking more dumb questions. I'll come back with
> any followup questions later.


Not sure why this is in response to my message. I generally
don't reference IRS Pubs nor did I make any comments
regarding how "dumb" the question was.

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David M. Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU
Woods Financial Services
Norwood, MA 02062
www.woods-financial.com

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Old 09-01-2004, 11:58 PM
Bob
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Default Re: Divorce, IRA, possibilities for withdrawal

David Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU" <dwoods[at]woods-financial.com> wrote:

- quote -

> It ISN'T alimony. If the split isn't specified to in the divorce agreement,
> its a taxable event. There is no way around that. More importantly, since
> you describe none of the exceptions to penalty, it would be subject to that
> as well.


OK... if I'm getting this right... I have to read pub 590
first before asking more dumb questions. I'll come back with
any followup questions later.

Thanks,

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Old 09-01-2004, 11:58 PM
Bob
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David Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU" <dwoods[at]woods-financial.com> wrote:

- quote -

> It ISN'T alimony. If the split isn't specified to in the divorce agreement,
> its a taxable event. There is no way around that. More importantly, since
> you describe none of the exceptions to penalty, it would be subject to that
> as well.


OK... if I'm getting this right... I have to read pub 590
first before asking more dumb questions. I'll come back with
any followup questions later.

Thanks,

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Old 08-19-2004, 09:21 PM
Phil Marti
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- quote -

> What mechanisms would be available to (legally, of course
> :-) engineer a withdrawal of money from a SEP-IRA to be used
> as part of a divorce settlement without a taxable event
> and/or penalty ? I know (based on a thread here) that the
> IRA can be split between spouses without a taxable event.
> However, in this case, the goal would be to free up some of
> the IRA funds to, for example, retire some joint debt and/or
> the mortgage at divorce time.
> Is there any way that it could be structured from a tax
> viewpoint to pull that off without penalty and/or tax on the
> withdrawal?


Tax, no. Penalty, possibly, if the transaction met one of
the standard exceptions to the penalty described in IRS
Publication 590.

Phil Marti
Topeka, KS

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Old 08-17-2004, 02:31 PM
David Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU
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Default Re: Divorce, IRA, possibilities for withdrawal

"Bob"
<bobhasanaccount[at]yahoo.com> wrote:

- quote -

> What mechanisms would be available to (legally, of course
> :-) engineer a withdrawal of money from a SEP-IRA to be used
> as part of a divorce settlement without a taxable event
> and/or penalty ? I know (based on a thread here) that the
> IRA can be split between spouses without a taxable event.
> However, in this case, the goal would be to free up some of
> the IRA funds to, for example, retire some joint debt and/or
> the mortgage at divorce time.
> Is there any way that it could be structured from a tax
> viewpoint to pull that off without penalty and/or tax on the
> withdrawal? For example, could the payment be legally
> labeled as alimony and used by the spouse who receives it to
> pay the debt? I'm *not* looking for some kind of
> questionable deal - but something entirely legit that would
> stand up to IRS scrutiny. I really would not want a tax
> issue to arise later and be left holding the bag. It would
> be better to engineer it into the bag right up front if
> that's how it has to happen.


It ISN'T alimony. If the split isn't specified to in the divorce agreement,
its a taxable event. There is no way around that. More importantly, since
you describe none of the exceptions to penalty, it would be subject to that
as well.

--
David M. Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU
Woods Financial Services
Norwood, MA 02062
www.woods-financial.com

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Old 08-17-2004, 02:12 PM
John H. Fisher
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Default Re: Divorce, IRA, possibilities for withdrawal

Bob <bobhasanaccount[at]yahoo.com> writes:

- quote -

> What mechanisms would be available to (legally, of course
> :-) engineer a withdrawal of money from a SEP-IRA to be used
> as part of a divorce settlement without a taxable event
> and/or penalty ? I know (based on a thread here) that the
> IRA can be split between spouses without a taxable event.
> However, in this case, the goal would be to free up some of
> the IRA funds to, for example, retire some joint debt and/or
> the mortgage at divorce time.
> Is there any way that it could be structured from a tax
> viewpoint to pull that off without penalty and/or tax on the
> withdrawal? For example, could the payment be legally
> labeled as alimony and used by the spouse who receives it to
> pay the debt? I'm *not* looking for some kind of
> questionable deal - but something entirely legit that would
> stand up to IRS scrutiny. I really would not want a tax
> issue to arise later and be left holding the bag. It would
> be better to engineer it into the bag right up front if
> that's how it has to happen.


Unless rollled over, the distributions will be taxable, no
matter what!! A 10% penalty may also be applied with the
exception for distributions from a qualified retirement plan
(other than an IRA) to an alternate payee under a qualified
domestic relations order,

"Jack" - John H. Fisher - TaxService[at]aol.com
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Old 08-15-2004, 07:10 PM
Bob
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Default Divorce, IRA, possibilities for withdrawal

What mechanisms would be available to (legally, of course
:-) engineer a withdrawal of money from a SEP-IRA to be used
as part of a divorce settlement without a taxable event
and/or penalty ? I know (based on a thread here) that the
IRA can be split between spouses without a taxable event.
However, in this case, the goal would be to free up some of
the IRA funds to, for example, retire some joint debt and/or
the mortgage at divorce time.

Is there any way that it could be structured from a tax
viewpoint to pull that off without penalty and/or tax on the
withdrawal? For example, could the payment be legally
labeled as alimony and used by the spouse who receives it to
pay the debt? I'm *not* looking for some kind of
questionable deal - but something entirely legit that would
stand up to IRS scrutiny. I really would not want a tax
issue to arise later and be left holding the bag. It would
be better to engineer it into the bag right up front if
that's how it has to happen.

Thanks,

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