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| - quote - > I agree completely with your analysis. However, when the
The original question was a little convoluted, the body did> question was asked about basis equalling "equity" I was > assuming that, as used, the term was referring to book > capital. Book capital (which normally controls who gets > liquidation proceeds) typically begins with the fair market > value of contributed property. While inside and outside tax > basis may be the same, tax basis and book capital are not. > I may have misread what was intended by the original poster. say "equity" but the subject header seemed a little more detailed with "Partner's Tax Capital Account Basis," which I read as partner's capital account tax basis... but who knows! ![]() << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "A" <a[at]nospam.com> wrote: - quote - > > > "e patashnikov" <epatashnikov[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
"A" <a[at]nospam.com> wrote:> > > > Shouldn't a partner's basis in his/her > > > > partnership interest equal his/her equity? - quote - > > > Usually upon formation the two are the same, but if a
I agree completely with your analysis. However, when the> > > partner sells his interest to an outside party the new > > > partner would have a basis in his partnership interest > > > (outside basis) of the price he paid. > > I would differ with your statement. I have numerous > > partnerships that involve contributed property. Typically a > > partner that contributes property other than cash has a > > capital account that is credited with the value of that > > property, not the tax basis. > True, but he did not ask about the capital account BALANCE, > he asked about its tax basis, and as you pointed out these > are not the same. The tax basis to the partnership of a > tax-deferred contribution of a capital asset is the same as > the partner's basis before contribution (§723). The partner > gets a substituted basis in his/her partnership interest. At > this point we have two assets, the property in the hands of > the partnership and the partner's interest in the > partnership. Both have the same basis (inside and outside > basis). If the partner sells the partnership interest, the > inside basis of the contributed property does not change, > but the buyer's basis in the partnership interest is what > was paid. At this point the inside and outside basis is > different. question was asked about basis equalling "equity" I was assuming that, as used, the term was referring to book capital. Book capital (which normally controls who gets liquidation proceeds) typically begins with the fair market value of contributed property. While inside and outside tax basis may be the same, tax basis and book capital are not. I may have misread what was intended by the original poster. Brian Bivona << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "A" <a[at]nospam.com> wrote: - quote - > "Brian" <bpbiv[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
Actually he asked about the difference between basis in a> > "A" <a[at]nospam.com> wrote: > > > "e patashnikov" <epatashnikov[at]yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > Shouldn't a partner's basis in his/her > > > > partnership interest equal his/her equity? > > > Usually upon formation the two are the same, but if a > > > partner sells his interest to an outside party the new > > > partner would have a basis in his partnership interest > > > (outside basis) of the price he paid. > > I would differ with your statement. I have numerous > > partnerships that involve contributed property. Typically a > > partner that contributes property other than cash has a > > capital account that is credited with the value of that > > property, not the tax basis. If A and B form a partnership > > with A contributing land with basis of $100 and value of > > $1,000 and B contributing cash of $1,000, they will each be > > credited with $1,000 in their capital account. While A's > > capital account would be $1,000 his basis is only $100. > True, but he did not ask about the capital account BALANCE, > he asked about its tax basis, and as you pointed out these > are not the same. The tax basis to the partnership of a > tax-deferred contribution of a capital asset is the same as > the partner's basis before contribution (§723). The partner > gets a substituted basis in his/her partnership interest. At > this point we have two assets, the property in the hands of > the partnership and the partner's interest in the > partnership. Both have the same basis (inside and outside > basis). If the partner sells the partnership interest, the > inside basis of the contributed property does not change, > but the buyer's basis in the partnership interest is what > was paid. At this point the inside and outside basis is > different. partnership interest and equity in the interest. Since equity has little meaning in tax law in this context, one can reasonably assume he was referring to the capital account. As the previous poster noted, if one contributes appreciated property to a partnership, there is an immediate difference between the partner's capital account and the partner's basis in the interest. -- David M. Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU Woods Financial Services Norwood, MA 02062 www.woods-financial.com << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Brian" <bpbiv[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > "A" <a[at]nospam.com> wrote:
True, but he did not ask about the capital account BALANCE,> > "e patashnikov" <epatashnikov[at]yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Shouldn't a partner's basis in his/her > > > partnership interest equal his/her equity? > > Usually upon formation the two are the same, but if a > > partner sells his interest to an outside party the new > > partner would have a basis in his partnership interest > > (outside basis) of the price he paid. > I would differ with your statement. I have numerous > partnerships that involve contributed property. Typically a > partner that contributes property other than cash has a > capital account that is credited with the value of that > property, not the tax basis. If A and B form a partnership > with A contributing land with basis of $100 and value of > $1,000 and B contributing cash of $1,000, they will each be > credited with $1,000 in their capital account. While A's > capital account would be $1,000 his basis is only $100. he asked about its tax basis, and as you pointed out these are not the same. The tax basis to the partnership of a tax-deferred contribution of a capital asset is the same as the partner's basis before contribution (§723). The partner gets a substituted basis in his/her partnership interest. At this point we have two assets, the property in the hands of the partnership and the partner's interest in the partnership. Both have the same basis (inside and outside basis). If the partner sells the partnership interest, the inside basis of the contributed property does not change, but the buyer's basis in the partnership interest is what was paid. At this point the inside and outside basis is different. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "A" <a[at]nospam.com> wrote: - quote - > "e patashnikov" <epatashnikov[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
I would differ with your statement. I have numerous> > Shouldn't a partner's basis in his/her > > partnership interest equal his/her equity? > Usually upon formation the two are the same, but if a > partner sells his interest to an outside party the new > partner would have a basis in his partnership interest > (outside basis) of the price he paid. partnerships that involve contributed property. Typically a partner that contributes property other than cash has a capital account that is credited with the value of that property, not the tax basis. If A and B form a partnership with A contributing land with basis of $100 and value of $1,000 and B contributing cash of $1,000, they will each be credited with $1,000 in their capital account. While A's capital account would be $1,000 his basis is only $100. Brian Bivona << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "e patashnikov" <epatashnikov[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > There's a close relationship between the two, but I'm not sure where
Usually upon formation the two are the same, but if a> the two concepts differ. Shouldn't a partner's basis in his/her > partnership interest equal his/her equity? partner sells his interest to an outside party the new partner would have a basis in his partnership interest (outside basis) of the price he paid. However, his basis in the partnership assets (inside basis) would be the same as the seller's share was. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| e patashnikov" <epatashnikov[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > There's a close relationship between the two, but I'm not sure where
here are three items. Partner's capital, basis, and at> the two concepts differ. Shouldn't a partner's basis in his/her > partnership interest equal his/her equity? risk. They are NOT the same. Without spending all week writing about it, your capital is your share of your net partnership contributions, distributions, and items of income and loss. Basis MAY start with capital (and it might not) but will also include a partner's share of partnership liabilities, and at risk is generally adjusted to include a share of non-recourse liabilities. This is far from a complete explanation and I'm sure I may have mixed up basis and at risk, but I hope you see that capital is not necessarily basis. -- David M. Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU Woods Financial Services Norwood, MA 02062 www.woods-financial.com << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| There's a close relationship between the two, but I'm not sure where the two concepts differ. Shouldn't a partner's basis in his/her partnership interest equal his/her equity? << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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