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| "David Woods, EA" <dwoods[at]woods-financial.com> writes: - quote - > If she bought the bond on the open market, I doubt it would
If the bond was selling at enough of a discount to par,> be OID and her basis would be the purchase price. there *is* OID (well, I guess technically it's not OID since the bond wasn't bought at original issue, but you have to accrue phantom interest on the market discount using the same methods you use to calculate OID). See IRS Pub 1212. It goes into numbing detail on all of this. -- Rich Carreiro rlcarr[at]animato.arlington.ma.us << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "David Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU" <dwoods[at]woods-financial.com> wrote: - quote - > "BM30003700" <bm30003700[at]aol.com> wrote:
From the description of the purchase the bond was bought at> > Also, she sold a bond that she purchased several years ago > > at a deep discount. The purchase price was $9,100 several > > years ago, whereas the sale price was $20,000. She also > > reported interest income on that bond on her tax returns > > over the years, but as regular interest, not OID interest. > > This is where I get confused. Is her basis in the bond sold > > for $20,000 just the $9,100? > $9,100. market discount (as opposed to a zero coupon or a stripped bond). I'm assuming that the interest she reported on schedule B was from coupon payments. On bond bought with market discount the gain recognized on the bond is treated as ordinary interest income and reported on Schedule B to the extent of the accrued market discount. The sale of the bond must still be reported on schedule D and the bond's basis is increased by the amount of ordinary interest income recognized on Schedule B from the market discount realized. If in your example the bond was $20,000 par value and was held to maturity, all of the market discount would have accrued and the entire $10,900 gain would be interest income. If the bond has not matured or been called, some of the market discount will not yet have accrued, and some of the gain would be capital gain. Brian Bivona << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Rich Carreiro" <rlcarr[at]animato.arlington.ma.us> wrote: - quote - > bm30003700[at]aol.com (BM30003700) writes:
If she bought the bond on the open market, I doubt it would> > My client sold treasury strips that were purchased many > > years ago. On these treasury strips she reported OID income > > every year on her return. Do I add this OID to the price > > she paid for the strips to get her cost basis? > Yes. > > Also, she sold a bond that she purchased several years ago > > at a deep discount. The purchase price was $9,100 several > > years ago, whereas the sale price was $20,000. She also > > reported interest income on that bond on her tax returns > > over the years, but as regular interest, not OID interest. > > This is where I get confused. Is her basis in the bond sold > > for $20,000 just the $9,100? > Hmmm... > Depending on exactly when the bond was issued, she probably > should have been reporting OID (due to the discount) in > addition to the actual coupon interest the bond was throwing > off. Her basis would be increased by that OID. be OID and her basis would be the purchase price. -- David M. Woods, EA Woods Financial Services Norwood, MA 02062 www.woods-financial.com << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "David Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU" <dwoods[at]woods-financial.com> wrote: [snip] - quote - > > Also, she sold a bond that she purchased several years ago
Right, but not all of the difference is capital gain. Some> > at a deep discount. The purchase price was $9,100 several > > years ago, whereas the sale price was $20,000. She also > > reported interest income on that bond on her tax returns > > over the years, but as regular interest, not OID interest. > > This is where I get confused. Is her basis in the bond sold > > for $20,000 just the $9,100? > $9,100. of it is ordinary income, which gets reported as interest and subtracted from the capital gain. Congress got wise some years ago to the investment tactic of buying low-interest-rate bonds at a deep discount, holding them to maturity or close to it, and booking the difference as a capital gain. The difference between the $9,100 she paid and the bonds' face amount is "market discount", which gets amortized (you can use either straight-line or constant-yield methods). The amortized market discount is interest income and flows to Schedule B. The sale gets two Schedule D entries: one for the $10,900 gain and one for a loss in the amount of the amortized market discount. At least that's how TurboTax advises reporting it: http://www.turbotax.com/articles/How...marketdiscount -- Chris Green << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "BM30003700" <bm30003700[at]aol.com> wrote: - quote - > My client sold treasury strips that were purchased many
Yes.> years ago. On these treasury strips she reported OID income > every year on her return. Do I add this OID to the price > she paid for the strips to get her cost basis? - quote - > Also, she sold a bond that she purchased several years ago
$9,100.> at a deep discount. The purchase price was $9,100 several > years ago, whereas the sale price was $20,000. She also > reported interest income on that bond on her tax returns > over the years, but as regular interest, not OID interest. > This is where I get confused. Is her basis in the bond sold > for $20,000 just the $9,100? -- David M. Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU Woods Financial Services Norwood, MA 02062 www.woods-financial.com << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| bm30003700[at]aol.com (BM30003700) writes: - quote - > My client sold treasury strips that were purchased many
Yes.> years ago. On these treasury strips she reported OID income > every year on her return. Do I add this OID to the price > she paid for the strips to get her cost basis? - quote - > Also, she sold a bond that she purchased several years ago
Hmmm...> at a deep discount. The purchase price was $9,100 several > years ago, whereas the sale price was $20,000. She also > reported interest income on that bond on her tax returns > over the years, but as regular interest, not OID interest. > This is where I get confused. Is her basis in the bond sold > for $20,000 just the $9,100? Depending on exactly when the bond was issued, she probably should have been reporting OID (due to the discount) in addition to the actual coupon interest the bond was throwing off. Her basis would be increased by that OID. With respect to both of your questions, see IRS Publication 1212. -- Rich Carreiro rlcarr[at]animato.arlington.ma.us << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| My client sold treasury strips that were purchased many years ago. On these treasury strips she reported OID income every year on her return. Do I add this OID to the price she paid for the strips to get her cost basis? Also, she sold a bond that she purchased several years ago at a deep discount. The purchase price was $9,100 several years ago, whereas the sale price was $20,000. She also reported interest income on that bond on her tax returns over the years, but as regular interest, not OID interest. This is where I get confused. Is her basis in the bond sold for $20,000 just the $9,100? << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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