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Old 07-26-2004, 08:02 AM
Steven Latus
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Nan Eklund wrote:

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> Thanks for the answers. I sometimes get a bit irked reading
> about contributions to political persons, parties, causes,
> etc. I can't deduct them and its a case of "insatiable
> curtiosity".


Don't lose sleep - the corporations don't get to deduct
political contributions, either.

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Old 07-26-2004, 07:23 AM
Harlan Lunsford
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Brian wrote:

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> Political contributions are nondeductible expenditures,
> whether by corporations or anyone else. Actually the
> major corporations cannot make gifts to candidates. The
> Federal election laws make that sort of contribution a
> crime. They can give to PACs though and the way most
> PAC's work now they have a pretty good idea of what
> specific candidates it will benefit. The PAC gifts are not
> deductible, nor would any other expenses related to
> supporting and organizing PAC's. Sec 162(e)(1)(B)


While I always knew that political contributions were non
deductible for a corporation ( or any other for that
matter), I'm wondering about your comment above relating to
federal election laws making contributions a crime to major
corporations. What , or where, is the dividing line to
determining whether a corporation is a major corporation?
Does that then mean that any small , or minor corporations
are excepted?

ChEAr$,
harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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Old 07-26-2004, 06:26 AM
Christopher Green
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naneklund[at]aol.com (Nan Eklund) wrote:

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> Thanks for the answers. I sometimes get a bit irked reading
> about contributions to political persons, parties, causes,
> etc. I can't deduct them and its a case of "insatiable
> curtiosity".
> Nan, EA in LA (anyone still read Kipling?)


"'Satiable curtiosity" got the Elephant's Child spanked
often and hard...

Small children and the Just So Stories go too well together,
though reading non-PC ones like "How the Leopard Got His
Spots" takes some ad-lib emendation.

--
Chris Green

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Old 07-23-2004, 02:00 PM
Nan Eklund
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Thanks for the answers. I sometimes get a bit irked reading
about contributions to political persons, parties, causes,
etc. I can't deduct them and its a case of "insatiable
curtiosity".

Nan, EA in LA (anyone still read Kipling?)

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Old 07-23-2004, 01:41 PM
David Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU
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"Stuart Bronstein" <spamtrap[at]lexregia.com> wrote:
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> Nan Eklund wrote:

> > I've always wondered what major corporations do with "gifts"
> > including political donations.
> > > My 1040 clients can't deduct political contributions and we

> > carefully think about and discuss the "causes" to which they
> > contribute.
> > > Can the 1120 clients deduct political contributions? What

> > do major corporations (of which I have - happily - no
> > clients) do in accounting for the money they donate to
> > parties, candidates, causes?


> I don't know about that, but it may be similar to charitable
> contributions, which can't be taken on a Schedule C (at
> least the last time I checked) but can be taken on an 1120.


Ahh, but even on an 1120 there is an income limitation on
the current allowable deduction.

--
David M. Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU
Woods Financial Services
Norwood, MA 02062
www.woods-financial.com

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Old 07-21-2004, 06:17 AM
Brian
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"Nan Eklund" <naneklund[at]aol.com> wrote:

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> Can the 1120 clients deduct political contributions? What
> do major corporations (of which I have - happily - no
> clients) do in accounting for the money they donate to
> parties, candidates, causes?


Political contributions are nondeductible expenditures,
whether by corporations or anyone else. Actually the
major corporations cannot make gifts to candidates. The
Federal election laws make that sort of contribution a
crime. They can give to PACs though and the way most
PAC's work now they have a pretty good idea of what
specific candidates it will benefit. The PAC gifts are not
deductible, nor would any other expenses related to
supporting and organizing PAC's. Sec 162(e)(1)(B)

Brian Bivona

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Old 07-21-2004, 05:39 AM
David Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU
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"Nan
Eklund" <naneklund[at]aol.com> wrote:

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> I've always wondered what major corporations do with "gifts"
> including political donations.
> My 1040 clients can't deduct political contributions and we
> carefully think about and discuss the "causes" to which they
> contribute.
> Can the 1120 clients deduct political contributions? What
> do major corporations (of which I have - happily - no
> clients) do in accounting for the money they donate to
> parties, candidates, causes?
> I've wondered, and haven't taken the time to research.....


Section 170? applies to corporation as well as individuals. If its
political, it's a non-deductible expense which is reflected as such on the
return.

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David M. Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU
Woods Financial Services
Norwood, MA 02062
www.woods-financial.com

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Old 07-21-2004, 04:03 AM
Stuart Bronstein
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Nan Eklund wrote:

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> I've always wondered what major corporations do with "gifts"
> including political donations.
> My 1040 clients can't deduct political contributions and we
> carefully think about and discuss the "causes" to which they
> contribute.
> Can the 1120 clients deduct political contributions? What
> do major corporations (of which I have - happily - no
> clients) do in accounting for the money they donate to
> parties, candidates, causes?


I don't know about that, but it may be similar to charitable
contributions, which can't be taken on a Schedule C (at
least the last time I checked) but can be taken on an 1120.

Stu

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Old 07-13-2004, 10:48 PM
Stuart Bronstein
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Gary Goodman wrote:

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> I had a business law instructor that was a personal injury
> lawyer. Any question from the class would be answered with a
> long-winded discourse ending with "I really don't know."
> There were a few people tempted to take this approach on the
> final exam.


A PI lawyer teaching a business law class? Albert Einstein
once said, if you can't explain something simply so that
people can understand it, you don't understand it yourself.
Sounds like that may have been his problem.

Stu

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Old 07-13-2004, 10:10 PM
Nan Eklund
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I've always wondered what major corporations do with "gifts"
including political donations.

My 1040 clients can't deduct political contributions and we
carefully think about and discuss the "causes" to which they
contribute.

Can the 1120 clients deduct political contributions? What
do major corporations (of which I have - happily - no
clients) do in accounting for the money they donate to
parties, candidates, causes?

I've wondered, and haven't taken the time to research.....

Nan, EA in LA

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Old 07-09-2004, 04:41 PM
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kamlet[at]panix.com says...
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> Wayne Brasch <waynebrasch[at]stowetel.com> wrote:
> > "tracy" <tracyschneider[at]cox.net> wrote:


> > > if i give my 2 children a gift of 10,000.00 each, can i take
> > > a tax deduction for the gifts? and do they have to pay taxes
> > > on the gift of money?


> > The answer to both questions is a very simple "no".


> But if I try, I'll bet I can turn it into a very complicated
> "No."


I didn't realize that you (Art) were a lawyer!

I had a business law instructor that was a personal injury
lawyer. Any question from the class would be answered with a
long-winded discourse ending with "I really don't know."
There were a few people tempted to take this approach on the
final exam.

Gary

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Old 07-09-2004, 04:41 PM
Herb Smith
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"D. Stussy" <kd6lvw[at]bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote:
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> tracy wrote:

> > if i give my 2 children a gift of 10,000.00 each, can i take
> > a tax deduction for the gifts? and do they have to pay taxes
> > on the gift of money?


> What troubles me is that this [kind of] question keeps
> coming up. Why don't people know that gifts for
> non-business reasons are not deductible at all nor are they
> recognized as income by the recipient(s)?
> [Business gifts have that $25/person-year deductible limit,
> and the recipients also ignore them as income.]
> Is there someone out there that is teaching people that
> non-business gifts are deductible for income tax purposes?


No, I think it is just wishful thinking.

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Old 07-05-2004, 10:01 PM
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D. Stussy wrote:

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> Is there someone out there that is teaching people that
> non-business gifts are deductible for income tax purposes?


I think people simply confuse the gift tax EXCLUSION with a
DEDUCTION. Add a little "hope springs eternal" and you see
the result. <g
MTW

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Old 07-05-2004, 03:09 PM
Arthur Kamlet
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Wayne Brasch <waynebrasch[at]stowetel.com> wrote:
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> "tracy" <tracyschneider[at]cox.net> wrote:

> > if i give my 2 children a gift of 10,000.00 each, can i take
> > a tax deduction for the gifts? and do they have to pay taxes
> > on the gift of money?


> The answer to both questions is a very simple "no".


But if I try, I'll bet I can turn it into a very complicated
"No."

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Art Kamlet ArtKamlet [at] AOL.com Columbus OH K2PZH

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Old 07-05-2004, 02:49 PM
D. Stussy
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tracy wrote:

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> if i give my 2 children a gift of 10,000.00 each, can i take
> a tax deduction for the gifts? and do they have to pay taxes
> on the gift of money?


What troubles me is that this [kind of] question keeps
coming up. Why don't people know that gifts for
non-business reasons are not deductible at all nor are they
recognized as income by the recipient(s)?

[Business gifts have that $25/person-year deductible limit,
and the recipients also ignore them as income.]

Is there someone out there that is teaching people that
non-business gifts are deductible for income tax purposes?

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Old 07-02-2004, 06:13 PM
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"tracy" <tracyschneider[at]cox.net> wrote:

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> if i give my 2 children a gift of 10,000.00 each, can i take
> a tax deduction for the gifts? and do they have to pay taxes
> on the gift of money?


Gifts to non-charities are not tax deductions.

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David M. Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU
Woods Financial Services
Norwood, MA 02062
www.woods-financial.com

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Old 07-02-2004, 05:35 PM
Phoebe Roberts, EA
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tracy wrote:

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> if i give my 2 children a gift of 10,000.00 each, can i take
> a tax deduction for the gifts?


No.

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> and do they have to pay taxes on the gift of money?

No.

Phoebe

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Old 07-02-2004, 05:16 PM
Nan Eklund
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You don't get a deduction and the kids don't get taxable
income.

Nan, EA in LA

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Old 07-02-2004, 04:56 PM
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tracy wrote:

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> if i give my 2 children a gift of 10,000.00 each, can i take
> a tax deduction for the gifts? and do they have to pay taxes
> on the gift of money?


No and no. The $10,000 (now $11,000, I believe) limit is
the amount you can pay without filing a gift tax return. If
you were to give more than that, you have to file a gift tax
return, which may or may not eventually create a gift or
estate tax liability.

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Old 07-02-2004, 04:56 PM
Missy Doyle
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tracyschneider[at]cox.net (tracy) wrote:

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> if i give my 2 children a gift of 10,000.00 each, can i take
> a tax deduction for the gifts? and do they have to pay taxes
> on the gift of money?


First question. Only if your children are a recognized
charity, by the IRS. In other words, No.

Second question. No.

Missy Doyle

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