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| MTW wrote: - quote - > What I hate is when a client sends me a "quicken" type
I share your pain <grin> , but I think your responsibility is> income statement (that's OK) but ALSO sends a complete > transaction register (or whatever they call it). Often, even > the most casual glance at the register will reveal that many > expenses were mis-classified. So, now what am I to do? I now > know (or have darn good reason to know) that many of the > expenses are not properly totaled. The time involved to > straighten this out will likely "break" the client, > especially since they think they've made my job easier by > entering all this (GIGO) in their computer. rather clear under Circular 230. You really can't participate in preparing and filing a return based on information you know or have darned good reason to believe is in error. In that case, I think you need to stop the presses, call the client, and explain that there's a problem. You know that the totals they have provided are not correct based on what you've seen and a return filed based on that data would misstate their tax liability, subjecting them to potential penalties if examined. As well, you cannot, due to both professional and legal requirements, prepare and sign such a return. The client's option is to either hire me to fix the information (which is going to be expensive) or find some other way to fix the data. And merely confiscating the sheets from me and then handing me back the summaries won't work, since I now know you didn't know enough to properly classify items. Clients many times don't understand that hiring us to do the return does *NOT* equate to hiring us to handle all of their financial record keeping for the year. -- Ed Zollars, CPA Phoenix, Arizona << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Ric Smith wrote: - quote - > can I go by the print outs or do I have them
You can prepare a tax-return from summary information the> bring in every receipt client provides you, without verifying their numbers with backup information. We generally scan the detail if provided, and ask about (not necessarily for receipts, just "tell me more about...") anything that seems unusual. For some clients, we have higher or lower standards, based on our other knowledge of the client's financial sophistication. Our engagement letter, which says "By providing us the information to prepare your returns, you are agreeing to the provisions of this letter," also says, under the heading "Your Responsibilities": You will provide us with all the information required for the preparation of complete and accurate returns. You represent to us that you have adequate documentation to substantiate travel, meal and entertainment expenses (if any), including: a travel log, receipts for all lodging, and receipts for other business travel, meal, and entertainment expenses over $75. A copy of our newsletter on business recordkeeping requirements and a sample travel log are available upon request. Phoebe ![]() << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Ric Smith" <menawach[at]msn.com> wrote: - quote - > I have always thought that I was doing a pretty job. With
I can't tell you what to put in your letters, but in our> the ethethics requirement for CPE, I have found it may > require a bit more than what I have been doing. Do I have > to check every bit of paper that a client should have in > their files to back up their claim for an expense. If > someone does their bookkeeping for them or if they do their > own books, can I go by the print outs or do I have them > bring in every receipt or log to check each item line by > line. I have not required clients to sign a letter since > they have to sign the 1040 declaring the truth of its > content. > I go over IRS requirements with each client. I tell them > it is just hot air if they are never audited; however, if > they are audited and they have been truthful with me then > there should be no problem with an IRS audit. > What should be contained in a client letter in regards to > IRS requirement for due diligence and added protection for > me. office a 1040 requires a 3 page engagement letter and business entities (1120, 1120S, 1065, 1041, 990) require a 5 page engagement letter. These letters outline the need for the CLIENT to keep certain records, including mileage, meal and listed property logs, it explains that our fee is for tax prep only (not audit representation, estate planning, tax planning, or advisory work) - though these are available for an additional fee - that we MUST be paid and they agree to pay us either when they pick up their returns or before we will mail them out; that we don't audit, review or otherwise verify ANY data the client provides and we take NO responsibility for their data - though we are available to answer questions and go over items if they have questions and additional fees may apply depending on the circumstances - and a myriad of other things that we've had client problems with over the years. We also include an information questionnaire for our 1040 clients - new clients have 3 pages and returning clients get the short 1 page version. We had a few clients cry about this at first, but over the last 2 or 3 years they have gotten used to it. I remember one client in particular who stopped our prep meeting when he got to the question about having a household employee. Seems he had one, but wanted to pay her under the table and not claim it. He wanted to know how to answer the "Do you have a household employee?" His concern was that if he said Yes, I'd make him include it on his return and he'd have to pay more in taxes and if he said NO he might get into trouble if he was ever caught. I explained to him that the questionnaires stay in client files for us to use to defend ourselves IF the IRS ever audits a client about a particular issue and the client has "forgotten" that we went over these issues. He stopped the meeting and reschedule for the following week - seems he went home and talked to his wife, who happened to be an attorney - when THEY BOTH came back in the following week, they had a household employee. If you start using engagement letters and questionnaires I can almost guarantee that you will be surprised at how many questions you will get asked by good, long-term clients - this will open the door for you to do some quality planning work - and I'd be willing to bet that you will be more surprised at what you will find out about what they think YOU are responsible for. I highly recommend the use of engagement letters and questionnaires. Gene E. Utterback, EA << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Ric Smith wrote: - quote - > If someone does their bookkeeping for them or if they do their
In my opinion, you are absolutely NOT required to "audit" or> own books, can I go by the print outs or do I have them > bring in every receipt or log to check each item line by > line. "verify" information furnished by the client. But - and here's where it gets troubling - you can't ~ignore~ information furnished by the client, either. What I hate is when a client sends me a "quicken" type income statement (that's OK) but ALSO sends a complete transaction register (or whatever they call it). Often, even the most casual glance at the register will reveal that many expenses were mis-classified. So, now what am I to do? I now know (or have darn good reason to know) that many of the expenses are not properly totaled. The time involved to straighten this out will likely "break" the client, especially since they think they've made my job easier by entering all this (GIGO) in their computer. MTW << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| I have always thought that I was doing a pretty job. With the ethethics requirement for CPE, I have found it may require a bit more than what I have been doing. Do I have to check every bit of paper that a client should have in their files to back up their claim for an expense. If someone does their bookkeeping for them or if they do their own books, can I go by the print outs or do I have them bring in every receipt or log to check each item line by line. I have not required clients to sign a letter since they have to sign the 1040 declaring the truth of its content. I go over IRS requirements with each client. I tell them it is just hot air if they are never audited; however, if they are audited and they have been truthful with me then there should be no problem with an IRS audit. What should be contained in a client letter in regards to IRS requirement for due diligence and added protection for me. Guidance please. Ricardo Smith, EA Dunlap TN << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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