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Old 07-05-2004, 03:09 PM
Wcm7315
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> I expect to make a profit GREATER than $250,000, but I plan
> on taking the entire proceeds of the sale of my house and
> using that as the principal for the new residence.


As others have hinted at, take a close look at the word
"profit." After 7 years, I think you mean "selling price
greater than $250,000," not profit. I'm quite sure you won't
owe any tax on this sale.Will

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Old 07-02-2004, 05:54 PM
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"scotts." <75270_3703a[at]csi.xcom> wrote:
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> David Woods <dwoods[at]woods-financial.com> wrote in

> > You can't sell a property to yourself and artificially raise
> > your basis without recognizing gain. Most people would be
> > happy about not having to pay tax on $250k of income.....


> If you are intending to buy real property in the same market,
> the income is phantom, and the tax is an expense.


Did you come out of the property with more money than you
put into it? If yes, then you're wrong, and its real
income. That you decide to buy another equally expensive
property is not part of that equation.

--
David M. Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU
Woods Financial Services
Norwood, MA 02062
www.woods-financial.com

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Old 06-30-2004, 11:45 PM
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Your effective tax is likely to be very low compared to
other taxes. Even with 15% long term gain beyond the
exclusion, overall it may only be 5-10%. Though its still
lost money, its not very high.

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Old 06-30-2004, 11:45 PM
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Dick Adams wrote:
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> Mike <dontspamthecat[at]boo.ya> writes:

> > I am trying to sell my home, and currently have a contract
> > on another house that is being built. I am single, and have
> > lived in my current home for 7 years.
> > > I read somewhere that;
> > > Single homeowners may keep $250,000 in profits tax-free on

> > the sale of a home they have owned and lived in for two of
> > the past five years. Anything above that amount is taxed at
> > 20 percent.


> That is correct.


Well, actually, 15% from May 5(?), 2003 through 2008.

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> > I expect to make a profit GREATER than $250,000, but I plan
> > on taking the entire proceeds of the sale of my house and
> > using that as the principal for the new residence.


> What you do with the proceeds is completely irrelevant.


> > Question. Will I still be taxed on the profit greater than
> > $250,000?


> Yes.


> > If so, it seems kind of a ripoff, as theoretically, I could
> > have retitled my house (sell to myself) a few years ago
> > while the profit would have been less than 250K,


> No, you couldn't have.
> That very thing was the subject of a long thread in this
> very newsgroup at the time, and as I recall, the consensus
> (thanks to a typically tightly cited and reasoned post from
> EdZ, I believe :-) was that the "deemed sale" thing was not
> allowed for personal residential real estate.


It was allowed -- it's just that the $250,000 exemption
wasn't allowed on a deemed sale. Neither was the
small business stock exemption.

Now, a sale to a related entity which is not considered
an alter ego.....

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Old 06-30-2004, 11:07 PM
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David Woods <dwoods[at]woods-financial.com> wrote in

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> You can't sell a property to yourself and artificially raise
> your basis without recognizing gain. Most people would be
> happy about not having to pay tax on $250k of income.....


If you are intending to buy real property in the same market,
the income is phantom, and the tax is an expense.

scott s.

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Old 06-30-2004, 11:07 PM
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"Mike" <dontspamthecat[at]boo.ya> wrote:

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> I am trying to sell my home, and currently have a contract
> on another house that is being built. I am single, and have
> lived in my current home for 7 years.
> I read somewhere that;


Yes.

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Old 06-30-2004, 11:07 PM
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"Mike" <dontspamthecat[at]boo.ya> wrote:

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> I am trying to sell my home, and currently have a contract
> on another house that is being built. I am single, and have
> lived in my current home for 7 years.
> I read somewhere that;


Yes.

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Old 06-29-2004, 05:23 PM
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"Mike" <dontspamthecat[at]boo.ya> wrote:

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> I am trying to sell my home, and currently have a contract
> on another house that is being built. I am single, and have
> lived in my current home for 7 years.
> I read somewhere that;
> Single homeowners may keep $250,000 in profits tax-free on
> the sale of a home they have owned and lived in for two of
> the past five years. Anything above that amount is taxed at
> 20 percent.
> I expect to make a profit GREATER than $250,000, but I plan
> on taking the entire proceeds of the sale of my house and
> using that as the principal for the new residence.
> Question. Will I still be taxed on the profit greater than
> $250,000?


Yes.

- quote -

> If so, it seems kind of a ripoff, as theoretically, I could
> have retitled my house (sell to myself) a few years ago
> while the profit would have been less than 250K, and now I
> would be in a situation where I sell the house to another
> party and the profit would still be less than 250K.


You can't sell a property to yourself and artificially raise
your basis without recognizing gain. Most people would be
happy about not having to pay tax on $250k of income.....

--
David M. Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU
Woods Financial Services
Norwood, MA 02062
www.woods-financial.com

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Old 06-29-2004, 05:04 PM
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"Mike" <dontspamthecat[at]boo.ya> wrote

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> I am trying to sell my home, and currently have a contract
> on another house that is being built. I am single, and have
> lived in my current home for 7 years.
> I read somewhere that;
> Single homeowners may keep $250,000 in profits tax-free on
> the sale of a home they have owned and lived in for two of
> the past five years. Anything above that amount is taxed at
> 20 percent.
> I expect to make a profit GREATER than $250,000, but I plan
> on taking the entire proceeds of the sale of my house and
> using that as the principal for the new residence.
> Question. Will I still be taxed on the profit greater than
> $250,000?
> If so, it seems kind of a ripoff, as theoretically, I could
> have retitled my house (sell to myself) a few years ago
> while the profit would have been less than 250K, and now I
> would be in a situation where I sell the house to another
> party and the profit would still be less than 250K.


Yes, the gain above $250,000 will be taxed, but at 15% not
20%. And it makes no difference whatsoever that you plan to
buy another residence. I do not see why you consider it a
ripoff. You could NOT have retitled it to sell it to
yourself like you suggest. Where did you get that idea?
You should be happy that you have $250,000 that you don't
have to pay taxes on, rather than thinking you are being
ripped off! $250,000 tax-free income earned in 7 years time
is a darn good rate of return!

Vida Freeman, EA

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Old 06-29-2004, 04:45 PM
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Mike <dontspamthecat[at]boo.ya> wrote:

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> I am trying to sell my home, and currently have a contract
> on another house that is being built. I am single, and have
> lived in my current home for 7 years.
> I read somewhere that;


Possibly in Pub 523, which details the law on home sales?

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> Single homeowners may keep $250,000 in profits tax-free on
> the sale of a home they have owned and lived in for two of
> the past five years. Anything above that amount is taxed at
> 20 percent.


Correct, except the current LTCG rate is 15% maximum.

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> I expect to make a profit GREATER than $250,000, but I plan
> on taking the entire proceeds of the sale of my house and
> using that as the principal for the new residence.


What you do with the money is irrelevant. Being able to
defer the gain into a new house went away, with the tax law
changes, in May 1997.

- quote -

> Question. Will I still be taxed on the profit greater than
> $250,000?


For sure. Make sure that you have calculated your "gain" correctly,
and made any appropriate adjustments to your "cost basis". Add your
selling expenses (including real estate commissions) to further
increase your cost basis.

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> If so, it seems kind of a ripoff, as theoretically, I could
> have retitled my house (sell to myself) a few years ago
> while the profit would have been less than 250K, and now I
> would be in a situation where I sell the house to another
> party and the profit would still be less than 250K.


I think you are delusional, as retitling the house to
yourself is not a sale and would not lead to any capital
gain exclusion. Hey, you're getting an EXCLUSION of tax on
one-quarter million dollars of UNEARNED income. You want egg
in your beer?

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Old 06-29-2004, 04:45 PM
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Mike <dontspamthecat[at]boo.ya> wrote:

<snip
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> Question. Will I still be taxed on the profit greater than
> $250,000?
> If so, it seems kind of a ripoff, as theoretically, I could
> have retitled my house (sell to myself) a few years ago
> while the profit would have been less than 250K, and now I
> would be in a situation where I sell the house to another
> party and the profit would still be less than 250K.


No. Your actions would have been the "ripoff". You cannot
sell anything to yourself, at least for tax purposes, and I
cannot imagine for any other purposes either. Certainly real
estate, which cannot be moved, so must be titled at the same
city, town or county, so what would "retitled" entail?

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Old 06-29-2004, 04:45 PM
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Mike <dontspamthecat[at]boo.ya> writes:

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> I am trying to sell my home, and currently have a contract
> on another house that is being built. I am single, and have
> lived in my current home for 7 years.
> I read somewhere that;
> Single homeowners may keep $250,000 in profits tax-free on
> the sale of a home they have owned and lived in for two of
> the past five years. Anything above that amount is taxed at
> 20 percent.


That is correct.

- quote -

> I expect to make a profit GREATER than $250,000, but I plan
> on taking the entire proceeds of the sale of my house and
> using that as the principal for the new residence.


What you do with the proceeds is completely irrelevant.

- quote -

> Question. Will I still be taxed on the profit greater than
> $250,000?


Yes.

- quote -

> If so, it seems kind of a ripoff, as theoretically, I could
> have retitled my house (sell to myself) a few years ago
> while the profit would have been less than 250K,


No, you couldn't have.

That very thing was the subject of a long thread in this
very newsgroup at the time, and as I recall, the consensus
(thanks to a typically tightly cited and reasoned post from
EdZ, I believe :-) was that the "deemed sale" thing was not
allowed for personal residential real estate.

--
Rich Carreiro rlcarr[at]animato.arlington.ma.us

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Old 06-29-2004, 04:13 PM
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Mike <dontspamthecat[at]boo.ya> writes:

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> I am trying to sell my home, and currently have a contract
> on another house that is being built. I am single, and have
> lived in my current home for 7 years.
> I read somewhere that;
> Single homeowners may keep $250,000 in profits tax-free on
> the sale of a home they have owned and lived in for two of
> the past five years. Anything above that amount is taxed at
> 20 percent.


Almost. The long-term capital gain rate has been lowered to
15%. You can read details about the $250,000 exclusion in
IRS Publication 523. It sounds like you qualify.

- quote -

> I expect to make a profit GREATER than $250,000, but I plan
> on taking the entire proceeds of the sale of my house and
> using that as the principal for the new residence.
> Question. Will I still be taxed on the profit greater than
> $250,000?


Yes. Remember, we're not talking about sale price here,
it's the gain. Again, see Pub 523.

- quote -

> If so, it seems kind of a ripoff, as theoretically, I could
> have retitled my house (sell to myself) a few years ago
> while the profit would have been less than 250K, and now I
> would be in a situation where I sell the house to another
> party and the profit would still be less than 250K.


If you Google this group on "121" you should find several
discussions reaching the conclusion that you couldn't have
done this.

Phil Marti
Topeka, KS

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Old 06-27-2004, 09:05 PM
Mike
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I am trying to sell my home, and currently have a contract
on another house that is being built. I am single, and have
lived in my current home for 7 years.

I read somewhere that;

Single homeowners may keep $250,000 in profits tax-free on
the sale of a home they have owned and lived in for two of
the past five years. Anything above that amount is taxed at
20 percent.

I expect to make a profit GREATER than $250,000, but I plan
on taking the entire proceeds of the sale of my house and
using that as the principal for the new residence.

Question. Will I still be taxed on the profit greater than
$250,000?

If so, it seems kind of a ripoff, as theoretically, I could
have retitled my house (sell to myself) a few years ago
while the profit would have been less than 250K, and now I
would be in a situation where I sell the house to another
party and the profit would still be less than 250K.

Thanks,

-Mike

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