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| "Han" <noone[at]nospam.invalid> wrote: - quote - > Christopher Ballard <cballard[at]tyyni.net> wrote in news:10cdeal4bj956f6
Where? The title of the form itself says foreign trust AND> > Inheritances are not income, and no tax is payable, but a > > U.S. person who receives a gift or inheritance of more than > > $100,000 has to report the gift or inheritance on Form 3520, > > Part IV. Failure to do so can result in a penalty of up to > > 25% of the amount of the gift or bequest. > > > The requirement for filing Form 2530 can be found in IRC > > 6039F. (The statute says $10,000 is the thresshold for > > filing, but this has been increased by IRS notice, see the > > instructions to Form 3520). > Maybe I'm blind, but I read this form as applying to trusts. > I inherited under Dutch law from my father (and mother), on > which was paid Dutch inheritance taxes. It would be my > understanding that (except for reporting that I have a Dutch > bank account of over $10,000, there is no other reporting. > Where did I go wrong in my thinking? receipt of certain foreign gifts. The portion of the form relevant to you is small and I believe towards the back. FYI, foreign bank accounts get reported on TREASURY Form 90.22.1, not IRS Form 3520. -- David M. Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU Woods Financial Services Boston, MA 02109 << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Han wrote: - quote - > Christopher Ballard <cballard[at]tyyni.net> wrote in news:10cdeal4bj956f6
Most Form 3520 has to do with trusts, but Part IV deals with> > Inheritances are not income, and no tax is payable, but a > > U.S. person who receives a gift or inheritance of more than > > $100,000 has to report the gift or inheritance on Form 3520, > > Part IV. Failure to do so can result in a penalty of up to > > 25% of the amount of the gift or bequest. > > > The requirement for filing Form 3520 can be found in IRC > > 6039F. (The statute says $10,000 is the thresshold for > > filing, but this has been increased by IRS notice, see the > > instructions to Form 3520). > Maybe I'm blind, but I read this form as applying to trusts. > I inherited under Dutch law from my father (and mother), on > which was paid Dutch inheritance taxes. It would be my > understanding that (except for reporting that I have a Dutch > bank account of over $10,000, there is no other reporting. > Where did I go wrong in my thinking? foreign gifts and bequests made to a US Person. From page 1 of the instructions for Form 3520: <begin quote Who Must File? File Form 3520 if: * * * 4. You are a U.S. person who, during the current tax year, received either: a. More than $100,000 from a nonresident alien individual or a foreign estate (including foreign persons related to that nonresident alien individual or foreign estate) that you treated as gifts or bequests or b. More than $11,827 from foreign corporations or foreign partnerships (including foreign persons related to such foreign corporations or foreign partnerships) that you treated as gifts. Complete the identifying information on page 1 of the form and Part IV. See the instructions for Part IV. <end quote And the following is from line 54 of Form 3520: <begin quote 54. During the current tax year, did you receive more than $100,000 during the tax year that you treated as gifts or bequests from a nonresident alien or a foreign estate? If "Yes," complete columns (a) through (c) with respect to each such gift or bequest in excess of $5,000. If more space is needed, attach schedule. <end quote --Chris << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Christopher Ballard <cballard[at]tyyni.net> wrote in news:10cdeal4bj956f6 - quote - > Inheritances are not income, and no tax is payable, but a
Maybe I'm blind, but I read this form as applying to trusts.> U.S. person who receives a gift or inheritance of more than > $100,000 has to report the gift or inheritance on Form 3520, > Part IV. Failure to do so can result in a penalty of up to > 25% of the amount of the gift or bequest. > The requirement for filing Form 2530 can be found in IRC > 6039F. (The statute says $10,000 is the thresshold for > filing, but this has been increased by IRS notice, see the > instructions to Form 3520). I inherited under Dutch law from my father (and mother), on which was paid Dutch inheritance taxes. It would be my understanding that (except for reporting that I have a Dutch bank account of over $10,000, there is no other reporting. Where did I go wrong in my thinking? -- Best regards Han email address is invalid << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Harlan Lunsford <lunstax[at]bellsouth.net> wrote in - quote - > Now that IS interesting. What I need is to generated the
In MY Word (PC MS Word in Office XP) it does work. Moreover,> British pound sign, useful when I'm making all those > reservations for my upcoming trip to the Land of Light > (Scotland). > ALT - ? Word has the following menu choice: Insert|Symbol I choose Latin-1 as the subset, and I see the £ (Alt-0163, using the Left alt key, and the keypad in Num Lock mode. There are many pages on the web for alt key codes, such as one of Daniel Jacobson's pages: <http://web2.iadfw.net/daniel12/charactermap.htm> . Another one is: <http://www.frontpagewizard.com/use_alt_keys.asp HTH -- Best regards Han email address is invalid << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Alt-0163 will generate a pound symbol (£). Note that the leading "0" is important. If you just type Alt-163, you end up with an accented "u". --Chris Ballard Harlan Lunsford wrote: - quote - > Bruce E. Cobern wrote:
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> > "Frederick Jorden" <knowtax[at]bigfoot.com> wrote: > > > P.S. How do you get the euro symbol with the Microsoft US > > > keyboard? > > Alt+0128 will generate the € symbol, with the 0128 being > > from the numeric keypad. > Now that IS interesting. What I need is to generated the > British pound sign, useful when I'm making all those > reservations for my upcoming trip to the Land of Light > (Scotland). > ALT - ? > ================================================== ========== > Moderator: Here are some useful additional characters > NOTE: 1. The leading zero is not necessary; > 2. It only works from the numeric keypad; and > 3. It does not work in my version of MS-WORD. > ALSO: I recently took my keboard apart and cleaned it. > Something I may never do again. And I needed to > use the right hand ALT key <g> ALT 128 .. € > ALT 155 .. › > ALT 156 .. œ > ALT 171 .. « > ALT 172 .. ¬ > ALT 241 .. ñ > ALT 242 .. ò > ALT 243 .. ó > ALT 246 .. ö > ================================================== ========== |
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| Harlan Lunsford wrote: - quote - > Bruce E. Cobern wrote:
156 - £> > "Frederick Jorden" <knowtax[at]bigfoot.com> wrote: > > > P.S. How do you get the euro symbol with the Microsoft US > > > keyboard? > > Alt+0128 will generate the € symbol, with the 0128 being > > from the numeric keypad. > Now that IS interesting. What I need is to generated the > British pound sign, useful when I'm making all those > reservations for my upcoming trip to the Land of Light > (Scotland). > ALT - ? - quote - > ================================================== ==========
Actually on my keyboard it is for the Euro symbol. Otherwise I get> Moderator: Here are some useful additional characters > NOTE: 1. The leading zero is not necessary; the French letter Ç. When I include the space I get €. - quote - > ALT 128 .. €
Some others that I use include> ALT 155 .. › > ALT 156 .. œ > ALT 171 .. « > ALT 172 .. ¬ > ALT 241 .. ñ > ALT 242 .. ò > ALT 243 .. ó > ALT 246 .. ö ALT 21 - § ALT 20 - ¶ ALT 7 - • Stu << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Dave Woods wrote: - quote - > "James" <cjsh2125[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
Inheritances are not income, and no tax is payable, but a> > I have a friend (US citizen by naturalization) whose parents > > live in other country. My friend expects big chunk of > > inheritance from his parent and doesn't know whether he > > should report to IRS since the money was from other country. > > Should he? > Inheritances are not income. U.S. person who receives a gift or inheritance of more than $100,000 has to report the gift or inheritance on Form 3520, Part IV. Failure to do so can result in a penalty of up to 25% of the amount of the gift or bequest. The requirement for filing Form 2530 can be found in IRC 6039F. (The statute says $10,000 is the thresshold for filing, but this has been increased by IRS notice, see the instructions to Form 3520). --Chris Ballard << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Bruce E. Cobern wrote: - quote - > "Frederick Jorden" <knowtax[at]bigfoot.com> wrote:
Now that IS interesting. What I need is to generated the> > P.S. How do you get the euro symbol with the Microsoft US > > keyboard? > Alt+0128 will generate the € symbol, with the 0128 being > from the numeric keypad. British pound sign, useful when I'm making all those reservations for my upcoming trip to the Land of Light (Scotland). ALT - ? Slainte! Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA ================================================== ========== Moderator: Here are some useful additional characters NOTE: 1. The leading zero is not necessary; 2. It only works from the numeric keypad; and 3. It does not work in my version of MS-WORD. ALSO: I recently took my keboard apart and cleaned it. Something I may never do again. And I needed to use the right hand ALT key <g ALT 128 .. € ALT 155 .. › ALT 156 .. œ ALT 171 .. « ALT 172 .. ¬ ALT 241 .. ñ ALT 242 .. ò ALT 243 .. ó ALT 246 .. ö ================================================== ========== << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Frederick Jorden" <knowtax[at]bigfoot.com> wrote: - quote - > Han wrote:
It requires knowing Word and to a lesser extent, whatever> > The inheritance was in a bank account in euros. To send it > > over to the US is nowadays a 2-part transaction: the > > straight exchange rate such as €8,466.68 for $10,000, as > > well as a €4.50 "fee". I was going to add the €4.50 to the > > cost of the $10,000, just like a brokerage fee is added to > > the basis of a stock transaction. > Your basis for the euros is the dollar equivalent on the > date of inheritance. you most likely will have an exchange > gain or loss on the conversion to dollars because that > exchange rate has not been static. A 4.5 euro bank fee I > would expense as a bank service charge. > P.S. How do you get the euro symbol with the Microsoft US > keyboard? email program is being used. -- David M. Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU Woods Financial Services Boston, MA 02109 << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Frederick Jorden <knowtax[at]bigfoot.com> wrote in - quote - > Your basis for the euros is the dollar equivalent on the
I will add it in as if it were a brokerage fee, so it will> date of inheritance. you most likely will have an exchange > gain or loss on the conversion to dollars because that > exchange rate has not been static. A 4.5 euro bank fee I > would expense as a bank service charge. up the basis. There is no way I can get the US$ from the € (ALT-0128 on the keypad) without incurring a fee. - quote - > P.S. How do you get the euro symbol with the Microsoft US > keyboard? € (ALT-0128 on the keypad) -- Best regards Han email address is invalid << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Frederick Jorden" <knowtax[at]bigfoot.com> wrote: - quote - > P.S. How do you get the euro symbol with the Microsoft US
Alt+0128 will generate the € symbol, with the 0128 being> keyboard? from the numeric keypad. -- Bruce E. Cobern, CPA mailto:bec[at]pipeline.com << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Frederick Jorden wrote: - quote - > P.S. How do you get the euro symbol with the Microsoft US
ALT-0128 (on the numeric keypad). €> keyboard? Phoebe ![]() << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Han wrote: - quote - > The inheritance was in a bank account in euros. To send it
Your basis for the euros is the dollar equivalent on the> over to the US is nowadays a 2-part transaction: the > straight exchange rate such as €8,466.68 for $10,000, as > well as a €4.50 "fee". I was going to add the €4.50 to the > cost of the $10,000, just like a brokerage fee is added to > the basis of a stock transaction. date of inheritance. you most likely will have an exchange gain or loss on the conversion to dollars because that exchange rate has not been static. A 4.5 euro bank fee I would expense as a bank service charge. P.S. How do you get the euro symbol with the Microsoft US keyboard? -- Frederick E. Jorden http://Tax-Accounting-Payroll.com 7825 Midlothian Tpk - 207 Richmond, VA 23235-5247 EMAIL knowtax[at]bigfoot.com (804) 320-6210 FAX (804) 320-6211 << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| The inheritance was in a bank account in euros. To send it over to the US is nowadays a 2-part transaction: the straight exchange rate such as €8,466.68 for $10,000, as well as a €4.50 "fee". I was going to add the €4.50 to the cost of the $10,000, just like a brokerage fee is added to the basis of a stock transaction. -- Best regards Han email address is invalid << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Arthur L. Rubin" <ronnirubin[at]sprintmail.com> wrote: - quote - > Hamlet the Prince wrote:
You may be right. Perhaps it is capital gain or loss. I am> > Correction regarding the character of the gain or loss. > > Foreign exchange gains or losses are ordinary and not capital. > Cite? I thought they were capital, as you did at first. a bit uncertain on this one. The question is whether section 988(a) applies to this transaction. Section 988(a)(1)(A) states that foreign currency gain or loss on a section 988 transaction is treated as ordinary income. A section 988 transaction includes the "disposition of nonfunctional currency". Reg. 1.988-1(a)(1)(i). However, section 988(e)(1) provides that the provisions of section 988 do "not apply to any section 988 transaction entered into by an individual which is a personal transaction". Section 988(e)(3) defines "personal transaction". This definition excludes "any transaction to the extent that expenses properly allocable to such transaction meet the requirements of . . . section 162 . . . or . . . section 212 . . . ." I assume that the OP was not engaged in a trade or business and therefore section 162 would not apply. I am not certain about section 212, however. If the OP had been investing the cash in a Euro bank account and the bank charged him a fee for converting the cash into US dollars, would he be able to deduct the fee as a 212 expense? I don't know the answer to this. If he could deduct the fee as a section 212 expense then the gain or loss would be ordinary. A quick search did not lead me to other authority in this area. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Arthur L. Rubin" <ronnirubin[at]sprintmail.com> wrote: - quote - > Hamlet the Prince wrote:
Section 988> > Correction regarding the character of the gain or loss. > > Foreign exchange gains or losses are ordinary and not capital. > Cite? I thought they were capital, as you did at first. -- David M. Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU Woods Financial Services Boston, MA 02109 << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Hamlet the Prince wrote: - quote - > Correction regarding the character of the gain or loss.
Cite? I thought they were capital, as you did at first.> Foreign exchange gains or losses are ordinary and not capital. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Correction regarding the character of the gain or loss. Foreign exchange gains or losses are ordinary and not capital. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Hamlet_the_Prince[at]att.net (Hamlet the Prince) wrote in news:10b7hhi2k44if96 <much snippage> You have a US$20 capital gain. Thanks for your advice (I think). I tend to agree with you, but now I may have to file an amended return ... -- Best regards Han email address is invalid << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "James" <cjsh2125[at]hotmail.com> wrote: - quote - > I have a friend (US citizen by naturalization) whose parents
As others have pointed out, inheritances are not income.> live in other country. My friend expects big chunk of > inheritance from his parent and doesn't know whether he > should report to IRS since the money was from other country. > Should he? However, interest, dividends, and other gains earned by an estate and distributed with the inheritance is income, but I've never been sure how it should be reported. I've never had to deal with the situation, but I've always assumed that the beneficiary should report the beneficiary's share of the net income of the estate when received, just as would be required if subchapter J applied. *Dan Evans *Author of the Tax Protester FAQ *http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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