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| A.G. Kalman wrote: - quote - > D. Stussy wrote:
Not all versions of the story mentioned the proposed> > Bill Brock wrote: > > > Normally, I don't think it's appropriate to post political > > > stories to this board, but I think the following story could > > > encourage noncompliance and affect the income of tax > > > professionals.... > > > > > ****************** > > > BEGIN FAIR-USE EXCERPT > > > > > FORTH WORTH, Texas, May 18 (UPI) -- The Defense Department > > > has proposed using U.S. Internal Revenue Service data to > > > track down reservists with which they have lost contact. > > > > > The measure, which department officials say has been vetted > > > by its lawyers, would allow the Pentagon to access the > > > addresses for tens of thousands of people who still face > > > active-duty recall, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported. > > > > > Congress and President Bush would have to approve an > > > amendment to the tax code in order legalize the practice. > > > > > END FAIR-USE EXCERPT > > > ************** > > > > > Is the Defense Department crazy? This smacks of Big > > > Brotherism (using the IRS to track down folks who haven't > > > violated any law), and sure isn't going to help the IRS > > > promote voluntary compliance. > > It appears (by my reading of it) that IRC section 6103 would > > have to be amended first. I couldn't find any exception in > > it for the disclosure of "taxpayer identity information" for > > the calling of individuals to military service. > > > Unless they change the law, I see this as an unauthorized > > disclosure. > See the last sentence in the fair-use excerpt. DOD is asking > Congress to amend the tax code. amendment. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| D. Stussy wrote: - quote - > Bill Brock wrote:
See the last sentence in the fair-use excerpt. DOD is asking> > Normally, I don't think it's appropriate to post political > > stories to this board, but I think the following story could > > encourage noncompliance and affect the income of tax > > professionals.... > > > ****************** > > BEGIN FAIR-USE EXCERPT > > > FORTH WORTH, Texas, May 18 (UPI) -- The Defense Department > > has proposed using U.S. Internal Revenue Service data to > > track down reservists with which they have lost contact. > > > The measure, which department officials say has been vetted > > by its lawyers, would allow the Pentagon to access the > > addresses for tens of thousands of people who still face > > active-duty recall, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported. > > > Congress and President Bush would have to approve an > > amendment to the tax code in order legalize the practice. > > > END FAIR-USE EXCERPT > > ************** > > > Is the Defense Department crazy? This smacks of Big > > Brotherism (using the IRS to track down folks who haven't > > violated any law), and sure isn't going to help the IRS > > promote voluntary compliance. > It appears (by my reading of it) that IRC section 6103 would > have to be amended first. I couldn't find any exception in > it for the disclosure of "taxpayer identity information" for > the calling of individuals to military service. > Unless they change the law, I see this as an unauthorized > disclosure. Congress to amend the tax code. -- Alan http://taxtopics.net << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "A.G. Kalman" <glendale202-mtm[at]yahoo.com> wrote: **context snipped** - quote - > It does on the surface appear to be "Big Brotherism."
Certainly it's possible that a reservist could have filed a> However, members of the reserve forces have a legal > obligation to file change of address notices with the DOD. > (As a side note, we are discussing individuals who are > members of the inactive reserve forces who are still subject > to being reactivated.) Failure to keep the DOD apprised of > one's address is a violation of federal law. The DOD is now > asking Congress to amend Title 26 to allow them to obtain > current addresses for those reservists who are not in > compliance. Personally, I don't have a problem with using > the address database for this purpose. timely change of address notice (via certified mail, return receipt requested), but DOD failed to correctly update the database. So some of the reservists for which they'd be searching would not necessarily be in violation of the law. In isolation, not a biggie. It's the slippery slope--what "reasonable use" will the government find next for the IRS database? << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Harlan Lunsford wrote: - quote - > Bill Brock wrote:
Perhaps the government is looking to save postage by> > Normally, I don't think it's appropriate to post political > > stories to this board, but I think the following story could > > encourage noncompliance and affect the income of tax > > professionals.... > > > ****************** > > BEGIN FAIR-USE EXCERPT > > > FORTH WORTH, Texas, May 18 (UPI) -- The Defense Department > > has proposed using U.S. Internal Revenue Service data to > > track down reservists with which they have lost contact. > > > The measure, which department officials say has been vetted > > by its lawyers, would allow the Pentagon to access the > > addresses for tens of thousands of people who still face > > active-duty recall, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported. > > > Congress and President Bush would have to approve an > > amendment to the tax code in order legalize the practice. > > > END FAIR-USE EXCERPT > > ************** > > > Is the Defense Department crazy? This smacks of Big > > Brotherism (using the IRS to track down folks who haven't > > violated any law), and sure isn't going to help the IRS > > promote voluntary compliance. > To answer the question, YES, DOD IS crazy to even think > this spying would past muster. > Although, we in the profession do realize that the gobment > does match up delinquent dads. (correction: delinquent > parents) with possible refunds. So, who's to say? I DO > think congress should step in an quickly quell this > inclination. including dod notices in with IRS mail. We are just talking about data mining. What's good for bill gates.... Perhaps an opt out provision in the tax return boilerplate. -- Frederick E. Jorden http://Tax-Accounting-Payroll.com 7825 Midlothian Tpk - 207 Richmond, VA 23235-5247 EMAIL knowtax[at]bigfoot.com (804) 320-6210 FAX (804) 320-6211 << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Bill Brock wrote: - quote - > Normally, I don't think it's appropriate to post political
It appears (by my reading of it) that IRC section 6103 would> stories to this board, but I think the following story could > encourage noncompliance and affect the income of tax > professionals.... > ****************** > BEGIN FAIR-USE EXCERPT > FORTH WORTH, Texas, May 18 (UPI) -- The Defense Department > has proposed using U.S. Internal Revenue Service data to > track down reservists with which they have lost contact. > The measure, which department officials say has been vetted > by its lawyers, would allow the Pentagon to access the > addresses for tens of thousands of people who still face > active-duty recall, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported. > Congress and President Bush would have to approve an > amendment to the tax code in order legalize the practice. > END FAIR-USE EXCERPT > ************** > Is the Defense Department crazy? This smacks of Big > Brotherism (using the IRS to track down folks who haven't > violated any law), and sure isn't going to help the IRS > promote voluntary compliance. have to be amended first. I couldn't find any exception in it for the disclosure of "taxpayer identity information" for the calling of individuals to military service. Unless they change the law, I see this as an unauthorized disclosure. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Bill Brock wrote: - quote - > Normally, I don't think it's appropriate to post political
To answer the question, YES, DOD IS crazy to even think> stories to this board, but I think the following story could > encourage noncompliance and affect the income of tax > professionals.... > ****************** > BEGIN FAIR-USE EXCERPT > FORTH WORTH, Texas, May 18 (UPI) -- The Defense Department > has proposed using U.S. Internal Revenue Service data to > track down reservists with which they have lost contact. > The measure, which department officials say has been vetted > by its lawyers, would allow the Pentagon to access the > addresses for tens of thousands of people who still face > active-duty recall, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported. > Congress and President Bush would have to approve an > amendment to the tax code in order legalize the practice. > END FAIR-USE EXCERPT > ************** > Is the Defense Department crazy? This smacks of Big > Brotherism (using the IRS to track down folks who haven't > violated any law), and sure isn't going to help the IRS > promote voluntary compliance. this spying would past muster. Although, we in the profession do realize that the gobment does match up delinquent dads. (correction: delinquent parents) with possible refunds. So, who's to say? I DO think congress should step in an quickly quell this inclination. Other opinions? Cheer$, Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Bill Brock wrote: - quote - > Normally, I don't think it's appropriate to post political
It does on the surface appear to be "Big Brotherism."> stories to this board, but I think the following story could > encourage noncompliance and affect the income of tax > professionals.... > ****************** > BEGIN FAIR-USE EXCERPT > FORTH WORTH, Texas, May 18 (UPI) -- The Defense Department > has proposed using U.S. Internal Revenue Service data to > track down reservists with which they have lost contact. > The measure, which department officials say has been vetted > by its lawyers, would allow the Pentagon to access the > addresses for tens of thousands of people who still face > active-duty recall, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported. > Congress and President Bush would have to approve an > amendment to the tax code in order legalize the practice. > END FAIR-USE EXCERPT > ************** > Is the Defense Department crazy? This smacks of Big > Brotherism (using the IRS to track down folks who haven't > violated any law), and sure isn't going to help the IRS > promote voluntary compliance. However, members of the reserve forces have a legal obligation to file change of address notices with the DOD. (As a side note, we are discussing individuals who are members of the inactive reserve forces who are still subject to being reactivated.) Failure to keep the DOD apprised of one's address is a violation of federal law. The DOD is now asking Congress to amend Title 26 to allow them to obtain current addresses for those reservists who are not in compliance. Personally, I don't have a problem with using the address database for this purpose. -- Alan http://taxtopics.net << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| wbrock[at]21stcentury.net (Bill Brock) wrote in news:10aocd2l94dk028 - quote - > Is the Defense Department crazy? This smacks of Big
I believe you will find that the enlistment contract> Brotherism (using the IRS to track down folks who haven't > violated any law), and sure isn't going to help the IRS > promote voluntary compliance. specifies that an enlistee will serve a minimum period of active duty, and then a remaining term of reserve duty for a total of 6-8 years. Persons leaving active duty, but with remaining obligation, are required to keep their services advised of their addresses and are subject to recall to active duty per contract. These reserves (Individual Ready Reserve) are not the same as ones who have voluntarily affiliated with drilling units (reserve or guard who have mobilization billets and accumulate points towards retirement). scott s. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Normally, I don't think it's appropriate to post political stories to this board, but I think the following story could encourage noncompliance and affect the income of tax professionals.... ****************** BEGIN FAIR-USE EXCERPT FORTH WORTH, Texas, May 18 (UPI) -- The Defense Department has proposed using U.S. Internal Revenue Service data to track down reservists with which they have lost contact. The measure, which department officials say has been vetted by its lawyers, would allow the Pentagon to access the addresses for tens of thousands of people who still face active-duty recall, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported. Congress and President Bush would have to approve an amendment to the tax code in order legalize the practice. END FAIR-USE EXCERPT ************** Is the Defense Department crazy? This smacks of Big Brotherism (using the IRS to track down folks who haven't violated any law), and sure isn't going to help the IRS promote voluntary compliance. Bill Brock, CPA William H. Brock, Ltd. Chicago billbrock at billbrock dot net << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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