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Old 06-02-2004, 06:11 PM
D. Stussy
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Default Re: Defense Dept. to use IRS data to contact reservists?

A.G. Kalman wrote:
- quote -

> D. Stussy wrote:
> > Bill Brock wrote:


> > > Normally, I don't think it's appropriate to post political
> > > stories to this board, but I think the following story could
> > > encourage noncompliance and affect the income of tax
> > > professionals....
> > > > > ******************
> > > BEGIN FAIR-USE EXCERPT
> > > > > FORTH WORTH, Texas, May 18 (UPI) -- The Defense Department
> > > has proposed using U.S. Internal Revenue Service data to
> > > track down reservists with which they have lost contact.
> > > > > The measure, which department officials say has been vetted
> > > by its lawyers, would allow the Pentagon to access the
> > > addresses for tens of thousands of people who still face
> > > active-duty recall, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported.
> > > > > Congress and President Bush would have to approve an
> > > amendment to the tax code in order legalize the practice.
> > > > > END FAIR-USE EXCERPT
> > > **************
> > > > > Is the Defense Department crazy? This smacks of Big
> > > Brotherism (using the IRS to track down folks who haven't
> > > violated any law), and sure isn't going to help the IRS
> > > promote voluntary compliance.


> > It appears (by my reading of it) that IRC section 6103 would
> > have to be amended first. I couldn't find any exception in
> > it for the disclosure of "taxpayer identity information" for
> > the calling of individuals to military service.
> > > Unless they change the law, I see this as an unauthorized

> > disclosure.


> See the last sentence in the fair-use excerpt. DOD is asking
> Congress to amend the tax code.


Not all versions of the story mentioned the proposed
amendment.

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Old 05-29-2004, 02:12 PM
A.G. Kalman
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Default Re: Defense Dept. to use IRS data to contact reservists?

D. Stussy wrote:
- quote -

> Bill Brock wrote:

> > Normally, I don't think it's appropriate to post political
> > stories to this board, but I think the following story could
> > encourage noncompliance and affect the income of tax
> > professionals....
> > > ******************

> > BEGIN FAIR-USE EXCERPT
> > > FORTH WORTH, Texas, May 18 (UPI) -- The Defense Department

> > has proposed using U.S. Internal Revenue Service data to
> > track down reservists with which they have lost contact.
> > > The measure, which department officials say has been vetted

> > by its lawyers, would allow the Pentagon to access the
> > addresses for tens of thousands of people who still face
> > active-duty recall, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported.
> > > Congress and President Bush would have to approve an

> > amendment to the tax code in order legalize the practice.
> > > END FAIR-USE EXCERPT

> > **************
> > > Is the Defense Department crazy? This smacks of Big

> > Brotherism (using the IRS to track down folks who haven't
> > violated any law), and sure isn't going to help the IRS
> > promote voluntary compliance.


> It appears (by my reading of it) that IRC section 6103 would
> have to be amended first. I couldn't find any exception in
> it for the disclosure of "taxpayer identity information" for
> the calling of individuals to military service.
> Unless they change the law, I see this as an unauthorized
> disclosure.


See the last sentence in the fair-use excerpt. DOD is asking
Congress to amend the tax code.

--
Alan
http://taxtopics.net

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Old 05-25-2004, 10:56 PM
Bill Brock
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Default Re: Defense Dept. to use IRS data to contact reservists?

"A.G. Kalman" <glendale202-mtm[at]yahoo.com> wrote:

**context snipped**

- quote -

> It does on the surface appear to be "Big Brotherism."
> However, members of the reserve forces have a legal
> obligation to file change of address notices with the DOD.
> (As a side note, we are discussing individuals who are
> members of the inactive reserve forces who are still subject
> to being reactivated.) Failure to keep the DOD apprised of
> one's address is a violation of federal law. The DOD is now
> asking Congress to amend Title 26 to allow them to obtain
> current addresses for those reservists who are not in
> compliance. Personally, I don't have a problem with using
> the address database for this purpose.


Certainly it's possible that a reservist could have filed a
timely change of address notice (via certified mail, return
receipt requested), but DOD failed to correctly update the
database. So some of the reservists for which they'd be
searching would not necessarily be in violation of the law.

In isolation, not a biggie. It's the slippery slope--what
"reasonable use" will the government find next for the IRS
database?

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Old 05-25-2004, 10:37 PM
Frederick Jorden
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Harlan Lunsford wrote:
- quote -

> Bill Brock wrote:

> > Normally, I don't think it's appropriate to post political
> > stories to this board, but I think the following story could
> > encourage noncompliance and affect the income of tax
> > professionals....
> > > ******************

> > BEGIN FAIR-USE EXCERPT
> > > FORTH WORTH, Texas, May 18 (UPI) -- The Defense Department

> > has proposed using U.S. Internal Revenue Service data to
> > track down reservists with which they have lost contact.
> > > The measure, which department officials say has been vetted

> > by its lawyers, would allow the Pentagon to access the
> > addresses for tens of thousands of people who still face
> > active-duty recall, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported.
> > > Congress and President Bush would have to approve an

> > amendment to the tax code in order legalize the practice.
> > > END FAIR-USE EXCERPT

> > **************
> > > Is the Defense Department crazy? This smacks of Big

> > Brotherism (using the IRS to track down folks who haven't
> > violated any law), and sure isn't going to help the IRS
> > promote voluntary compliance.


> To answer the question, YES, DOD IS crazy to even think
> this spying would past muster.
> Although, we in the profession do realize that the gobment
> does match up delinquent dads. (correction: delinquent
> parents) with possible refunds. So, who's to say? I DO
> think congress should step in an quickly quell this
> inclination.


Perhaps the government is looking to save postage by
including dod notices in with IRS mail. We are just talking
about data mining. What's good for bill gates.... Perhaps an
opt out provision in the tax return boilerplate.

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Old 05-24-2004, 05:54 AM
D. Stussy
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Default Re: Defense Dept. to use IRS data to contact reservists?

Bill Brock wrote:

- quote -

> Normally, I don't think it's appropriate to post political
> stories to this board, but I think the following story could
> encourage noncompliance and affect the income of tax
> professionals....
> ******************
> BEGIN FAIR-USE EXCERPT
> FORTH WORTH, Texas, May 18 (UPI) -- The Defense Department
> has proposed using U.S. Internal Revenue Service data to
> track down reservists with which they have lost contact.
> The measure, which department officials say has been vetted
> by its lawyers, would allow the Pentagon to access the
> addresses for tens of thousands of people who still face
> active-duty recall, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported.
> Congress and President Bush would have to approve an
> amendment to the tax code in order legalize the practice.
> END FAIR-USE EXCERPT
> **************
> Is the Defense Department crazy? This smacks of Big
> Brotherism (using the IRS to track down folks who haven't
> violated any law), and sure isn't going to help the IRS
> promote voluntary compliance.


It appears (by my reading of it) that IRC section 6103 would
have to be amended first. I couldn't find any exception in
it for the disclosure of "taxpayer identity information" for
the calling of individuals to military service.

Unless they change the law, I see this as an unauthorized
disclosure.

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Old 05-24-2004, 05:35 AM
Harlan Lunsford
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Default Re: Defense Dept. to use IRS data to contact reservists?

Bill Brock wrote:

- quote -

> Normally, I don't think it's appropriate to post political
> stories to this board, but I think the following story could
> encourage noncompliance and affect the income of tax
> professionals....
> ******************
> BEGIN FAIR-USE EXCERPT
> FORTH WORTH, Texas, May 18 (UPI) -- The Defense Department
> has proposed using U.S. Internal Revenue Service data to
> track down reservists with which they have lost contact.
> The measure, which department officials say has been vetted
> by its lawyers, would allow the Pentagon to access the
> addresses for tens of thousands of people who still face
> active-duty recall, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported.
> Congress and President Bush would have to approve an
> amendment to the tax code in order legalize the practice.
> END FAIR-USE EXCERPT
> **************
> Is the Defense Department crazy? This smacks of Big
> Brotherism (using the IRS to track down folks who haven't
> violated any law), and sure isn't going to help the IRS
> promote voluntary compliance.


To answer the question, YES, DOD IS crazy to even think
this spying would past muster.

Although, we in the profession do realize that the gobment
does match up delinquent dads. (correction: delinquent
parents) with possible refunds. So, who's to say? I DO
think congress should step in an quickly quell this
inclination.

Other opinions?

Cheer$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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Old 05-24-2004, 04:57 AM
A.G. Kalman
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Default Re: Defense Dept. to use IRS data to contact reservists?

Bill Brock wrote:

- quote -

> Normally, I don't think it's appropriate to post political
> stories to this board, but I think the following story could
> encourage noncompliance and affect the income of tax
> professionals....
> ******************
> BEGIN FAIR-USE EXCERPT
> FORTH WORTH, Texas, May 18 (UPI) -- The Defense Department
> has proposed using U.S. Internal Revenue Service data to
> track down reservists with which they have lost contact.
> The measure, which department officials say has been vetted
> by its lawyers, would allow the Pentagon to access the
> addresses for tens of thousands of people who still face
> active-duty recall, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported.
> Congress and President Bush would have to approve an
> amendment to the tax code in order legalize the practice.
> END FAIR-USE EXCERPT
> **************
> Is the Defense Department crazy? This smacks of Big
> Brotherism (using the IRS to track down folks who haven't
> violated any law), and sure isn't going to help the IRS
> promote voluntary compliance.


It does on the surface appear to be "Big Brotherism."
However, members of the reserve forces have a legal
obligation to file change of address notices with the DOD.
(As a side note, we are discussing individuals who are
members of the inactive reserve forces who are still subject
to being reactivated.) Failure to keep the DOD apprised of
one's address is a violation of federal law. The DOD is now
asking Congress to amend Title 26 to allow them to obtain
current addresses for those reservists who are not in
compliance. Personally, I don't have a problem with using
the address database for this purpose.

--
Alan
http://taxtopics.net

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Old 05-24-2004, 04:38 AM
scott s.
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Default Re: Defense Dept. to use IRS data to contact reservists?

wbrock[at]21stcentury.net (Bill Brock) wrote in news:10aocd2l94dk028

- quote -

> Is the Defense Department crazy? This smacks of Big
> Brotherism (using the IRS to track down folks who haven't
> violated any law), and sure isn't going to help the IRS
> promote voluntary compliance.


I believe you will find that the enlistment contract
specifies that an enlistee will serve a minimum period of
active duty, and then a remaining term of reserve duty for a
total of 6-8 years. Persons leaving active duty, but with
remaining obligation, are required to keep their services
advised of their addresses and are subject to recall to
active duty per contract. These reserves (Individual Ready
Reserve) are not the same as ones who have voluntarily
affiliated with drilling units (reserve or guard who have
mobilization billets and accumulate points towards
retirement).

scott s.

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Old 05-20-2004, 04:18 AM
Bill Brock
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Default Defense Dept. to use IRS data to contact reservists?

Normally, I don't think it's appropriate to post political
stories to this board, but I think the following story could
encourage noncompliance and affect the income of tax
professionals....

******************
BEGIN FAIR-USE EXCERPT

FORTH WORTH, Texas, May 18 (UPI) -- The Defense Department
has proposed using U.S. Internal Revenue Service data to
track down reservists with which they have lost contact.

The measure, which department officials say has been vetted
by its lawyers, would allow the Pentagon to access the
addresses for tens of thousands of people who still face
active-duty recall, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported.

Congress and President Bush would have to approve an
amendment to the tax code in order legalize the practice.

END FAIR-USE EXCERPT
**************

Is the Defense Department crazy? This smacks of Big
Brotherism (using the IRS to track down folks who haven't
violated any law), and sure isn't going to help the IRS
promote voluntary compliance.

Bill Brock, CPA
William H. Brock, Ltd.
Chicago

billbrock at billbrock dot net

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