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| Peter C. Gatto, CPA wrote: - quote - > The opinion notes that all facts have been stipulated by
Further, it appears that this case was decided without trial> both parties. I believe that one of the stipulated facts, > the 2001 divorce decree, clealry demonstrated that the wife > could not file with single rates in 2000. She would have > already lost that issue during the IRS' examination of her > return. The instant issue before the TC, then, is merely > whether the support payments were includible in income or > not. Thus, the Court was silent as to the single v. MFS > rate issue. (Rule 122). So, your observation is probably right on track (or, at least, it ties together the loose ends <g> ). MTW << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| A.G. Kalman wrote: - quote - > This is not a requirement. The written separation agreement
I stand corrected on that point. I recall several> satisfies the alimony requirement. discussions on this issue where the consensus seemed to be that doubt could be cast on the efficacy of said agreement if it wasn't recognized under applicable state law as effectively terminating the marriage. But after doing a bit of research, it does appear that there is a bit more flexibility here. - quote - > There is no requirement for an explicit statement that
Still, this is such a critical element to the tax treatment> alimony ceases at death if under state law liability for > payments cease. > In addition, the entire separation agreement is not appended > to the decision and therefore we do not know whether there > was an explicit statement. of alimony that I think the court was EXTREMELY sloppy in not stating how the requirement was met (either by terms of the agreement or by underlying law or by...). - quote - > I'm also stumped on this one unless the State of Alabama
I suspect that this was another example of sloppy drafting> (her state of residence in 2000) recognized that she was > unmarried for 2000 based on the written agreement and their > living separate lives. in this opinion. Perhaps "single" was simply used in the sense of "not joint." Note that if applicable state law DID consider her unmarried, then this dovetails back to my first comment about the efficacy of the agreement. MTW << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| MTW wrote: - quote - > Just when I thought I understood how divorces and alimony
This is not a requirement. The written separation agreement> were supposed to work, along came the case of Dato-Nodurft > vs. Commish, TC Memo 2004-119. > Things I don't get: > 1) This case required support payments to be treated as > "alimony" for tax purposes even though the related written > agreement did NOT appear to terminate the marriage. satisfies the alimony requirement. - quote - > 2) The quoted portions of the written agreement did NOT
There is no requirement for an explicit statement that> explicitly state that the payments were to stop in the event > of death. alimony ceases at death if under state law liability for payments cease. In addition, the entire separation agreement is not appended to the decision and therefore we do not know whether there was an explicit statement. - quote - > 3) The wife in this case "filed a separate return for 2000,
I'm also stumped on this one unless the State of Alabama> claiming single rates," even though the divorce wasn't final > until 2001. SINGLE rates??? (her state of residence in 2000) recognized that she was unmarried for 2000 based on the written agreement and their living separate lives. -- Alan http://taxtopics.net << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| MTW" <mtwingcpa[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > Just when I thought I understood how divorces and alimony
Sec. 71 does not include termination of the marriage as a> were supposed to work, along came the case of Dato-Nodurft > vs. Commish, TC Memo 2004-119. > Things I don't get: > 1) This case required support payments to be treated as > "alimony" for tax purposes even though the related written > agreement did NOT appear to terminate the marriage. requirement for alimony. Separation agreements are specifically mentioned in Sec. 71. - quote - > 2) The quoted portions of the written agreement did NOT
This may be a default of LA law that payments terminate at> explicitly state that the payments were to stop in the event > of death. death unless otherwise agreed. - quote - > 3) The wife in this case "filed a separate return for 2000,
In some states certain legal separations are equivalent to> claiming single rates," even though the divorce wasn't final > until 2001. SINGLE rates??? divorce for federal tax purposes. Perhaps LA is one of these states. See Sec. 7703(a)(2). The IRS does not appear to have litigated this issue or perhaps the parties had already agreed she owed as MFS. Drew Edmundson, CPA (NC) << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "MTW" <mtwingcpa[at]yahoo.com> wrote - quote - > Just when I thought I understood how divorces and alimony
I think the court merely used "alimony" as a term> were supposed to work, along came the case of Dato-Nodurft > vs. Commish, TC Memo 2004-119. > Things I don't get: > 1) This case required support payments to be treated as > "alimony" for tax purposes even though the related written > agreement did NOT appear to terminate the marriage. interchangeable with the phrase "alimony and separate maintenance payment". - quote - > 2) The quoted portions of the written agreement did NOT
The quoted portion states that "The Husband shall pay to the> explicitly state that the payments were to stop in the event > of death. Wife . . ." If the wife died, all that would be left is the estate of the wife. I'm no lawyer, but it seems to me that since the estate would be a legal entity separate and distinct from the wife and since the quoted portion does not explicitly state that payments would continue upon the death of the wife, that "no liability to make any such payment for any period after the death of the payee spouse" (§71(b)(1)(D)) was created. On the other hand, the non-quoted portion could have explicitly stated that payments would stop in the event of the death of the wife. - quote - > 3) The wife in this case "filed a separate return for 2000,
Napoleonic Code of Louisianna (where they were married).> claiming single rates," even though the divorce wasn't final > until 2001. SINGLE rates??? > Can anyone explain this ??? <g First I thought that this may be a wrinke under the But then I note that it seems the separation agreement may have been written while the husband was stationed in Hawaii. So here's my thought: The opinion notes that all facts have been stipulated by both parties. I believe that one of the stipulated facts, the 2001 divorce decree, clealry demonstrated that the wife could not file with single rates in 2000. She would have already lost that issue during the IRS' examination of her return. The instant issue before the TC, then, is merely whether the support payments were includible in income or not. Thus, the Court was silent as to the single v. MFS rate issue. Peter C. Gatto, CPA << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Just when I thought I understood how divorces and alimony were supposed to work, along came the case of Dato-Nodurft vs. Commish, TC Memo 2004-119. Things I don't get: 1) This case required support payments to be treated as "alimony" for tax purposes even though the related written agreement did NOT appear to terminate the marriage. 2) The quoted portions of the written agreement did NOT explicitly state that the payments were to stop in the event of death. 3) The wife in this case "filed a separate return for 2000, claiming single rates," even though the divorce wasn't final until 2001. SINGLE rates??? Can anyone explain this ??? <g MTW << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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