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| Drew Edmundson <drewsbeagles[at]hotmail.com> wrote: - quote - > Jon Gallo" <jonjgallo[at]adelphia.net> wrote:
The values reported on a 706 are only presumptively correct> snip > > I have handled no-tax estates in which 2036(a)(1) inclusion > > would provide a step up in basis. In those cases, I've filed > > a no-tax 706 and included the property on the return with an > > explanation that it is included due to a retained life estate. > > I am not aware of any income tax audits that have challenged > > the step up in these situations. > What if the estate refuses to file a form 706? I am > advising an heir not the estate. for basis purposes. You can still claim the benefit of the new basis (and the "benefit" of section 2036) regardless of whether or not a return is filed. When no death tax return is filed, I have advised people simply to use the new basis on Schedule D, and be prepared to document the basis if questioned by the IRS. *Dan Evans *Author of the Tax Protester FAQ *http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Jon Gallo" <jonjgallo[at]adelphia.net> wrote: snip - quote - > I have handled no-tax estates in which 2036(a)(1) inclusion
What if the estate refuses to file a form 706? I am> would provide a step up in basis. In those cases, I've filed > a no-tax 706 and included the property on the return with an > explanation that it is included due to a retained life estate. > I am not aware of any income tax audits that have challenged > the step up in these situations. advising an heir not the estate. TIA Drew Edmundson, CPA (NC) << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "MTW" <mtwingcpa[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > Drew Edmundson wrote:
Medicaid planning that with 20/20 hindsight was not> > Finally my question, what has your experience been in making > > the argument that 2036(a)(1) applies in such a case? > I've never had to deal with an actual case in this area, but > I think you are on the right track. As I understand it, it > is NOT necessary for a "life estate" to be mentioned in the > deed or otherwise qualify under LOCAL law. Rather, if the > "facts and circumstances" meet the FEDERAL statute, you > should be in good shape for a basis step-up. > It sounds to me like the transfer of the property was simply > an (ill advised???) attempt to avoid probate, etc., but that > the BENEFITS of ownership were nevertheless retained. necessary. Drew Edmundson, CPA (NC) << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| MTW wrote: - quote - > Drew Edmundson wrote:
That would be my analysis as well. It sure looks like a> > Finally my question, what has your experience been in making > > the argument that 2036(a)(1) applies in such a case? > I've never had to deal with an actual case in this area, but > I think you are on the right track. As I understand it, it > is NOT necessary for a "life estate" to be mentioned in the > deed or otherwise qualify under LOCAL law. Rather, if the > "facts and circumstances" meet the FEDERAL statute, you > should be in good shape for a basis step-up. > It sounds to me like the transfer of the property was simply > an (ill advised???) attempt to avoid probate, etc., but that > the BENEFITS of ownership were nevertheless retained. retained life estate, so I'd act as if 2036 applies and let them contest it if they wish. Stu << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Drew Edmundson" <drewsbeagles[at]hotmail.com> wrote: - quote - > Just an FYI before I begin, I learned about the transfers
I have handled no-tax estates in which 2036(a)(1) inclusion> *after* the parent's death. Parent was not my client. > Parent transferred land to children prior to death. The > transfer occurred in 2 parts - first deed was for 1/100th > undivided interest to children. Within a month the > remaining 99/100 interest was transferred to children. Two > years later parent dies. > An estate tax return wasn't required but a gift tax return > should have been filed. No federal gift tax would be due. > After transfer parent collected rents, paid real estate > taxes, etc. just like they did prior to transfer. Parent > did not live on land before or after transfer. It sure > looks like an implied life estate even though there wasn't > one included in the deed. > Now that sales are occurring it would be to children's > benefit for 2036(a)(1) to apply and it sure looks like IRS > would win if they asserted 2036(a)(1). Since no estate > return was due IRS won't be making such an assertion. > Finally my question, what has your experience been in making > the argument that 2036(a)(1) applies in such a case? > Just to be complete I have quoted 2036(a)(1), please snip if > you reply, thanks: > (a) General Rule > The value of the gross estate shall include the value of all > property to the extent of any interest therein of which the > decedent has at any time made a transfer (except in case of > a bona fide sale for an adequate and full consideration in > money or money's worth), by trust or otherwise, under which > he has retained for his life or for any period not > ascertainable without reference to his death or for any > period which does not in fact end before his death-- > (1) the possession or enjoyment of, or the right to the > income from, the property, > --- end quoted text would provide a step up in basis. In those cases, I've filed a no-tax 706 and included the property on the return with an explanation that it is included due to a retained life estate. I am not aware of any income tax audits that have challenged the step up in these situations. Jon Gallo: Greenberg Glusker Fields Claman Machtinger & Kinsella LLP, Los Angeles << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Drew Edmundson wrote: - quote - > Finally my question, what has your experience been in making
I've never had to deal with an actual case in this area, but> the argument that 2036(a)(1) applies in such a case? I think you are on the right track. As I understand it, it is NOT necessary for a "life estate" to be mentioned in the deed or otherwise qualify under LOCAL law. Rather, if the "facts and circumstances" meet the FEDERAL statute, you should be in good shape for a basis step-up. It sounds to me like the transfer of the property was simply an (ill advised???) attempt to avoid probate, etc., but that the BENEFITS of ownership were nevertheless retained. MTW << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Just an FYI before I begin, I learned about the transfers *after* the parent's death. Parent was not my client. Parent transferred land to children prior to death. The transfer occurred in 2 parts - first deed was for 1/100th undivided interest to children. Within a month the remaining 99/100 interest was transferred to children. Two years later parent dies. An estate tax return wasn't required but a gift tax return should have been filed. No federal gift tax would be due. After transfer parent collected rents, paid real estate taxes, etc. just like they did prior to transfer. Parent did not live on land before or after transfer. It sure looks like an implied life estate even though there wasn't one included in the deed. Now that sales are occurring it would be to children's benefit for 2036(a)(1) to apply and it sure looks like IRS would win if they asserted 2036(a)(1). Since no estate return was due IRS won't be making such an assertion. Finally my question, what has your experience been in making the argument that 2036(a)(1) applies in such a case? Just to be complete I have quoted 2036(a)(1), please snip if you reply, thanks: (a) General Rule The value of the gross estate shall include the value of all property to the extent of any interest therein of which the decedent has at any time made a transfer (except in case of a bona fide sale for an adequate and full consideration in money or money's worth), by trust or otherwise, under which he has retained for his life or for any period not ascertainable without reference to his death or for any period which does not in fact end before his death-- (1) the possession or enjoyment of, or the right to the income from, the property, --- end quoted text TIA Drew Edmundson, CPA (NC) << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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