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| Jean wrote: - quote - > what if decree states that ex may claim 'minor' child? once
There's not enough information to answer that one. First,> child turns 18 she is no longer a minor, so I am guessing he > can no longer claim her? under state law does such a person have "custody" any longer? If not, then Section 152(e) is no longer relevant and the decree, even if it said that one party gets the exemption after age 18, is simply irrelevant. A state court cannot write federal law and if there's no custody then we have to look to the standard rules--which look to who provided over 1/2 of the support (if anyone). My suspicion is that once the age of majority is reached, there would not be custody--the adult child now has his/her own legal right to go where he/she wishes, unlike the minor. Second, if that is considered custody under state law (highly unlikely I think, but then again I'm not an attorney), then the real question would be one to be settled by the state court--would the court order the individual, if he/she is the custodial parent, to sign the release? If yes, then it works. If no, then it doesn't <grin> . -- Ed Zollars, CPA Phoenix, Arizona << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| what if decree states that ex may claim 'minor' child? once child turns 18 she is no longer a minor, so I am guessing he can no longer claim her? << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Shirley.Caylor wrote: - quote - > "Venom" <venom25_1[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
Be careful--as a number of recent Tax Court decisions have> > My ex-wife will not sign and return an 8332 Child Exemption > > Form as required by our dissolution of marriage. If I file > > without this form and both our returns are audited will the > > official dissolution of marriage stating that I am entitled > > to the Exemption be sufficent proof. My lawyer is filing a > > motion but I don't think it will be heard before the April > > 15 filing date. > Check IRS Pub 501, pg 17 and it will answer most of your > questions. You can send certain pages of the dissolution of > marriage with your return if they include the information > required. pointed out, unless your divorce decree contains *ALL* of the information required in the regulations (which is all the information on the 8332, including identification numbers), is signed by the other spouse and gives an *UNCONDITIONAL* grant of the exemption (no language about him getting the exemption so long as he is current on child support payments or any other contingency), the Tax Court will give the exemption to the custodial parent. See, for example, the Miller case (114 TC 184), Cramer (TC Summary 2003-2), Neal (TC Memo 1999-97), and Loffer (TC Memo 2002-98). This is a textbook case showing how you cannot rely on IRS instructions and publications <grin> , because at least prior to these cases the instructions and publications kind of glossed over these details. But since the IRS figured out they were going to get whipsawed by this one if they followed the implication of the publications and instructions (custodial spouse would get the exemption based on the law), they have gone ahead and thrown out the noncustodial parent's exemption claim. If the IRS hadn't taken that position, a couple could structure their situation so that the noncustodial parent would attach a decree intentionally structured to appear to fit within the instructions, but fail to meet the regulations. Noncustodial parent gets the exemption based on the instructions, and the custodial parent gets the exemption based on the regulations. Simple answer--go to state court and get an order forcing the custodial parent to sign the 8332. If the custodial spouse truly has no basis for refusing to sign, I suspect you'd also have a good chance of getting legal expenses as well. -- Ed Zollars, CPA Phoenix, Arizona << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Venom" <venom25_1[at]hotmail.com> wrote: - quote - > My ex-wife will not sign and return an 8332 Child Exemption
Check IRS Pub 501, pg 17 and it will answer most of your> Form as required by our dissolution of marriage. If I file > without this form and both our returns are audited will the > official dissolution of marriage stating that I am entitled > to the Exemption be sufficent proof. My lawyer is filing a > motion but I don't think it will be heard before the April > 15 filing date. questions. You can send certain pages of the dissolution of marriage with your return if they include the information required. Hope this helps. Shirley Caylor, EA Caylor Income Tax & Accounting << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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