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| Herb Smith wrote: - quote - > seville2[at]excite.com (Carolyn) wrote:
After you have made the estimated payments required by law I> > I was browsing through earlier replies and it appears the > > consensus is -- if you have a one time capital gain during > > the year, you have to either pay it off in quarterly > > installments rather than a one time lump (except that I > > didn't have the gain until after April 15th) or pay a one > > time lump and be forced into the headache of filing a 2010 > > (?) Yes? > > > My question is, it appears by the terms of the withholding > > certificate that you don't have to pay estimated taxes if > > you pay at least 110% of your prior year's tax through > > withholding. Can I possibly be reading this correctly? > True, if you have withholding equal to (or greater than) > 110% of the previous year's tax liability, you are covered > by a "safe harbor". In that case, the gain from an > unexpected sale can be deferred to when you file your > return, and no estimated payments are required. They CAN be > made, if you wish to avoid a large end-of-year tax bill, but > they are not REQUIRED. generally recommended that a taxpayer purchase T-bills, due on 4/1 in the ammonite of the balance expected to be due with the return. But you will not get this kind of advice if you do your return yourself and just read the instructions. -- Frederick E. Jorden http://Tax-Accounting-Payroll.com 7825 Midlothian Tpk - 207 Richmond, VA 23235-5247 EMAIL knowtax[at]bigfoot.com (804) 320-6210 FAX (804) 320-6211 << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| seville2[at]excite.com (Carolyn) wrote: - quote - > I was browsing through earlier replies and it appears the
True, if you have withholding equal to (or greater than)> consensus is -- if you have a one time capital gain during > the year, you have to either pay it off in quarterly > installments rather than a one time lump (except that I > didn't have the gain until after April 15th) or pay a one > time lump and be forced into the headache of filing a 2010 > (?) Yes? > My question is, it appears by the terms of the withholding > certificate that you don't have to pay estimated taxes if > you pay at least 110% of your prior year's tax through > withholding. Can I possibly be reading this correctly? 110% of the previous year's tax liability, you are covered by a "safe harbor". In that case, the gain from an unexpected sale can be deferred to when you file your return, and no estimated payments are required. They CAN be made, if you wish to avoid a large end-of-year tax bill, but they are not REQUIRED. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| seville2[at]excite.com (Carolyn) wrote: - quote - > I was browsing through earlier replies and it appears the
That's right, if it's after April 1 there's no way to> consensus is -- if you have a one time capital gain during > the year, you have to either pay it off in quarterly > installments rather than a one time lump (except that I > didn't have the gain until after April 15th) or pay a one > time lump and be forced into the headache of filing a 2010 > (?) Yes? retroactively increase your first installment, however, if you pay the extra amount late the penalty isn't that bad, 5% simple interest only on the underpayment amount. If you let the IRS figure your penalty on the Regular Method, you don't have to complete form 2210. If the gain is in later quarters you can avoid the penalty by paying enough in later quarters to satisfy the form 2210 Schedule AI and have no penalty, but YOU have to complete 2210AI then, and compute the penalty. If you know your quarterly income/deductions etc any tax program will complete the 2210 AI for you with your return. There are calculators available for downloading off the web that will compute your 2210 AI minimum installments for you since it is almost impossible to do it yourself from Pub 505 istructions or 1040ES, particularly if you are subject to AMT. If you have a simple tax situation (with no AMT) it's not difficult to annualize each quarter yourself but DO NOT try to use the 90% of current full year's estimated taxes in your computations because you would 1. unnecessarily load in year-end distributions and bonuses, 2. you might underestimate and thereby incur a penalty, 3. you might overestimate which is redundant as the formulas would select the annualized amount or 1/4 of last year's tax safe harbor as being lower. - quote - > My question is, it appears by the terms of the withholding
That's right, too. And, if your last year's AGI was less> certificate that you don't have to pay estimated taxes if > you pay at least 110% of your prior year's tax through > withholding. Can I possibly be reading this correctly? than $150,000 you only have to pay 100% of last year's tax. The same rule applies for estimate payments except to be completely free from penalty they would have to be equal (or heavier in early quarters) whereas Withholding is averaged over all 4 quarters (unless directed otherwise by you). good luck. ed << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Carolyn wrote: - quote - > My question is, it appears by the terms of the withholding
I'm not sure of the exact percentage, except that it's> certificate that you don't have to pay estimated taxes if > you pay at least 110% of your prior year's tax through > withholding. Can I possibly be reading this correctly? still 100% for low-to-middle-income taxpayers, but you're reading it correctly. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| I was browsing through earlier replies and it appears the consensus is -- if you have a one time capital gain during the year, you have to either pay it off in quarterly installments rather than a one time lump (except that I didn't have the gain until after April 15th) or pay a one time lump and be forced into the headache of filing a 2010 (?) Yes? My question is, it appears by the terms of the withholding certificate that you don't have to pay estimated taxes if you pay at least 110% of your prior year's tax through withholding. Can I possibly be reading this correctly? << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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