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Quite true. HOWEVER, please note that there is NO federal> > Again, as a practical matter, states generally will use the > > legal residence certificate as a convenient proxy for > > domicile and ask no further questions. However, if a member > > started out from a grabby state like Georgia or Wisconsin, > > which tax domiciliary members' total income including > > military compensation, and persuaded the service to allow > > him to file a legal residence certificate for Texas or > > Nevada, he or she should not be surprised if the original > > state asks some questions. > I think Federal Law trumps state law wrt status of > military members. law that determines the state income tax residence of military service members, other than the Servicemembers' Civil Relief Act. That law only restricts the ability of the states to consider a member's domicile or residence to have changed due to the member's presence in some other location on permanent military orders. SCRA does not restrict, in any way, the power of a state where a military member was domiciled at the time he or she entered the service to continue to treat that person as a domiciliary and tax resident as long as he or she is on active duty. Further, it does not in any way restrict a state from considering a member to have changed his or her domicile on the basis of actions OTHER THAN military duty assignment. Katie in San Diego The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only and does not constitute legal or professional advice. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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I think Federal Law trumps state law wrt status of> Again, as a practical matter, states generally will use the > legal residence certificate as a convenient proxy for > domicile and ask no further questions. However, if a member > started out from a grabby state like Georgia or Wisconsin, > which tax domiciliary members' total income including > military compensation, and persuaded the service to allow > him to file a legal residence certificate for Texas or > Nevada, he or she should not be surprised if the original > state asks some questions. military members. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "scott s." <75270_3703a[at]csi.xcom> wrote: - quote - > katiej_1958[at]yahoo.com (Katie Jaques) wrote in news:108h9kb7ku1j61
Scott, I wouldn't argue with your interpretation, although> > I disagree. As I read the NJ law, she does not meet the > > requirements to be considered a nonresident of NJ. Her > > domicile remains there, because she has not established a > > new domicile anywhere else. She does not maintain a > > permanent place of abode outside NJ where she intends to > > live after she separates from service. Therefore, the > > military should be withholding NJ tax from her military > > compensation. > > > The spouse should file a NJ resident return, probably MFS. > Here is a cut/paste out of the nj web site: > http://www.state.nj.us/treasury/taxation/ > "Military personnel who are domiciled in New Jersey, but who > meet all three of the following conditions for the entire > year, are considered nonresidents for income tax purposes: > 1. You did not maintain a permanent home in New Jersey; and > 2. You did maintain a permanent home outside of New Jersey; and > 3. You did not spend more than thirty days in New Jersey > during the taxable year. > If you are a member of the Armed Forces whose home of record > (domicile) is New Jersey, you are not considered to be > maintaining a permanent home outside of New Jersey if you > are residing on shipboard or in barracks, billets, or > bachelor officer quarters. However, if you pay for and > maintain, either by out-of-pocket payments or forfeiture of > quarters allowance, an apartment or a home (either owned or > rented) outside New Jersey, such facilities constitute a > permanent home outside of New Jersey." > I note there is no item of intent to change domicile > involved. Legally, I imagine they are still domiciliaries, > but for the specific purpose of the income tax, have > non-resident treatment. > I submit that my reading is the common understanding of > military folks. If it's wrong, a lot of people are not > paying their taxes! I _can_ tell you that state tax > witholding by DFAS stopped being voluntary in the 70's or > early 80's, DFAS will withold. If you declare NY or NJ > domicile, DFAS will withold $0, if you sign a statement > confirming the 3 tests above. > As an aside, the "permanent residence" test tends to screw > the single, more junior service member, in favor of marrieds > and senior folks who are provided quarters, or allowance in > lieu of quarters. I'm sure I did see something in the NJ RIA explanation about a permanent home where the member intends to remain after separation. Nevertheless, the case described by the OP in this thread does NOT meet the standards you cite. I quote from the original post: "She has always lived on base." The wife in the question that was asked remains a resident of NJ for tax purposes, and is discriminated against in precisely the way you describe. Katie in San Diego The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only and does not constitute legal or professional advice. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| katiej_1958[at]yahoo.com (Katie Jaques) wrote in news:108h9kb7ku1j61 - quote - > I disagree. As I read the NJ law, she does not meet the > requirements to be considered a nonresident of NJ. Her > domicile remains there, because she has not established a > new domicile anywhere else. She does not maintain a > permanent place of abode outside NJ where she intends to > live after she separates from service. Therefore, the > military should be withholding NJ tax from her military > compensation. > The spouse should file a NJ resident return, probably MFS. Here is a cut/paste out of the nj web site: http://www.state.nj.us/treasury/taxation/ "Military personnel who are domiciled in New Jersey, but who meet all three of the following conditions for the entire year, are considered nonresidents for income tax purposes: 1. You did not maintain a permanent home in New Jersey; and 2. You did maintain a permanent home outside of New Jersey; and 3. You did not spend more than thirty days in New Jersey during the taxable year. If you are a member of the Armed Forces whose home of record (domicile) is New Jersey, you are not considered to be maintaining a permanent home outside of New Jersey if you are residing on shipboard or in barracks, billets, or bachelor officer quarters. However, if you pay for and maintain, either by out-of-pocket payments or forfeiture of quarters allowance, an apartment or a home (either owned or rented) outside New Jersey, such facilities constitute a permanent home outside of New Jersey." I note there is no item of intent to change domicile involved. Legally, I imagine they are still domiciliaries, but for the specific purpose of the income tax, have non-resident treatment. I submit that my reading is the common understanding of military folks. If it's wrong, a lot of people are not paying their taxes! I _can_ tell you that state tax witholding by DFAS stopped being voluntary in the 70's or early 80's, DFAS will withold. If you declare NY or NJ domicile, DFAS will withold $0, if you sign a statement confirming the 3 tests above. As an aside, the "permanent residence" test tends to screw the single, more junior service member, in favor of marrieds and senior folks who are provided quarters, or allowance in lieu of quarters. scott s. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "scott s." <75270_3703a[at]csi.xcom> wrote: - quote - > Chas_K[at]excite.com (Charlie48K) wrote in news:1085drjqf87be64
I disagree. As I read the NJ law, she does not meet the> > New Jersey is her home of record and her resident state for > > tax purposes under the federal law that apples to the > > military until she intentionally changes her legal > > residency. She is a New Jersey resident for state tax > > purposes. I believe new Jersey exempts her military pay from > > taxes in these circumstances too. You might also want to > > show her this regarding her foreign pay in Italy. > This can be a confusing topic. Especially the term "home of > record" as contrasted to "domicile". > New Jersey has information here: > http://www.state.nj.us/treasury/taxa...gi-ee/git7.pdf > that defines these terms with respect to state income taxation. > Here is the text on "home of record": > Home of Record is the place that is used for > fixing travel and transportation allowances. > Your "home of record" should not be confused > with your domicile, even though they may be > the same in certain circumstances. > New Jersey and New York state have similar systems in that > if you are in the military, spend less than 30 days per year > in state, and maintain a dwelling (not a ship or barracks) > outside the state, you are not liable for resident income > tax. > A more difficult question usually is filing status: can > federal MFJ filers file as MFS for state income tax? It > appears that in this situation (one spouse NJ resident, one > spouse NJ non-resident) the NJ resident spouse can file MFS. > So in this case, I don't think the spouse even needs to > file in NJ, unless the spouse has some NJ source income. > Note that states tend to be "helpful" and allow filing MFJ, > but then you have to include all-source income of the > non-resident spouse! > Also, if member's state of domicile is reported to DFAS as > NJ, they should not be witholding state income tax, as long > as the member is not assigned a permanent duty station in > NJ. That should be shown on the member's JUMPS pay reports > (or they can establish online access to their pay record at > DFAS.gov). requirements to be considered a nonresident of NJ. Her domicile remains there, because she has not established a new domicile anywhere else. She does not maintain a permanent place of abode outside NJ where she intends to live after she separates from service. Therefore, the military should be withholding NJ tax from her military compensation. The spouse should file a NJ resident return, probably MFS. Katie in San Diego The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only and does not constitute legal or professional advice. The foregoing is intended for << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Chas Kendall <Chas_K[at]excite.com> wrote: - quote - > Cindy, CA wrote:
Thanks for posting that link, which is very useful.> > pattymaci[at]aol.com (PattymacI) wrote: > > > Both spouses have been in the military since 2000. > > > They were married in December, 2003 while on vacation > > > in Mass. They filed a joint federal return for 2003 > > > with the husband's address in Italy. > > > > > Husband is stationed in Italy. He has a driver's license > > > from Mass and is a registered voter in Mass. He filed a > > > married filing separate Mass 2003 return. He could not > > > file joint with his wife because she never lived in Mass. > > > > > Wife entered military from NJ. She has been stationed in > > > VA since 2000. She has always lived on base. No driver's > > > license and not a registered voter anywhere. She will be > > > sent to Italy next month. The couple will make their home > > > in Mass when they get out of the military in 2006. > > > > > What state return does the wife file for 2003? > > > Whatever state is her Home of Record with the military. > Does not matter where you live if you are Active Duty. > > Most Active Duty members keep a Home of Record in a no-tax state... > No. Home of Record has nothing to do with legal residence > for voting or tax filing. Read this: > http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/milit...meofrecord.htm However, it is not totally accurate with respect to the determination of state tax residence for military personnel. In fact, each state defines a resident for tax purposes by its own statutory rules. A tax resident is subject to tax on all income, regardless of source; a nonresident is taxable only on income from sources within the state. The Service Members' Civil Relief Act prohibits states from considering an active duty military member to have changed domicile or residence solely by reason of being stationed somewhere else on permanent military orders. In most states, a person who is domiciled in the state is a tax resident; however, many states provide for circumstances under which a domiciliary may be a nonresident for tax purposes. Domicile is a common-law concept, developed through case law, and is generally described as a person's true, fixed home and permanent establishment; the place where an individual has established a home for self and family with no present intention of removing therefrom; the place to which, whenever absent, the individual intends to return. Domicile, once established, is generally maintained until a new domicile is established at a different location. In general, in order to establish a new domicile, an individual must meet all of three requirements: (1) abandonment of the previous domicile; (2) moving to and residing in a new location; and (3) an intention to remain in the new location permanently or indefinitely. A person who has abandoned his previous domicile but has not moved to and resided in a new location with the intention of remaining there has not, under the standards applied by most states, made an effective change of domicile. Military home of record, as the web site you referenced indicates, is simply the place to which the military promises to pay your way when you separate from service. Generally, though, it is the domicile of the member at the time he or she enters the service. States generally use home of record as a convenient proxy for domicile in the absence of any action by the member to establish a new domicile elsewhere, although the facts of an individual case, if thoroughly examined, might result in a different conclusion. So home of record is not irrelevant to the determination of state tax residence. A military member may, as the web site states, complete a "State of Legal Residence Certificate" as permitted by the local base legal or finance office. Completion of this form authorizes the military to withhold state income taxes from the member's pay for that state, and to cease withholding for the home-of-record or other previously designated state. However, and this is really important, the fact that the military service allows the member to make that change does not NECESSARILY constitute a valid change of domicile or residence for state income tax purposes. All it does is change the state that gets (or is entitled to, by the DOD's lights) the member's state income tax withholding. Unless the member has met ALL THREE of the requirements for change of domicile, the state where the member was previously domiciled may consider that no change has occurred. If it is one of the "grabby" states that tax all of a domiciliary member's income, it may continue to do so. It is not within the power of the Department of Defense to determine a military member's domicile for state income tax purposes. That determination is made under the laws of each individual state, by the state's tax authority and courts. Again, as a practical matter, states generally will use the legal residence certificate as a convenient proxy for domicile and ask no further questions. However, if a member started out from a grabby state like Georgia or Wisconsin, which tax domiciliary members' total income including military compensation, and persuaded the service to allow him to file a legal residence certificate for Texas or Nevada, he or she should not be surprised if the original state asks some questions. Katie in San Diego The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only and does not constitute legal or professional advice. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Chas Kendall" <Chas_K[at]excite.com> wrote: - quote - > Cindy, CA wrote:
Correct. Home of Record is where you want to declare as your> > pattymaci[at]aol.com (PattymacI) wrote: > > > Both spouses have been in the military since 2000. > > > They were married in December, 2003 while on vacation > > > in Mass. They filed a joint federal return for 2003 > > > with the husband's address in Italy. > > > > > Husband is stationed in Italy. He has a driver's license > > > from Mass and is a registered voter in Mass. He filed a > > > married filing separate Mass 2003 return. He could not > > > file joint with his wife because she never lived in Mass. > > > > > Wife entered military from NJ. She has been stationed in > > > VA since 2000. She has always lived on base. No driver's > > > license and not a registered voter anywhere. She will be > > > sent to Italy next month. The couple will make their home > > > in Mass when they get out of the military in 2006. > > > > > What state return does the wife file for 2003? > > > Whatever state is her Home of Record with the military. > Does not matter where you live if you are Active Duty. > > Most Active Duty members keep a Home of Record in a no-tax state... > No. Home of Record has nothing to do with legal residence > for voting or tax filing. Read this: > http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/milit...meofrecord.htm "hometown". The state of Legal residence for tax and voting can and usually is different than the HOR. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Chas_K[at]excite.com (Charlie48K) wrote in news:1085drjqf87be64 - quote - > New Jersey is her home of record and her resident state for
This can be a confusing topic. Especially the term "home of> tax purposes under the federal law that apples to the > military until she intentionally changes her legal > residency. She is a New Jersey resident for state tax > purposes. I believe new Jersey exempts her military pay from > taxes in these circumstances too. You might also want to > show her this regarding her foreign pay in Italy. record" as contrasted to "domicile". New Jersey has information here: http://www.state.nj.us/treasury/taxa...gi-ee/git7.pdf that defines these terms with respect to state income taxation. Here is the text on "home of record": Home of Record is the place that is used for fixing travel and transportation allowances. Your "home of record" should not be confused with your domicile, even though they may be the same in certain circumstances. New Jersey and New York state have similar systems in that if you are in the military, spend less than 30 days per year in state, and maintain a dwelling (not a ship or barracks) outside the state, you are not liable for resident income tax. A more difficult question usually is filing status: can federal MFJ filers file as MFS for state income tax? It appears that in this situation (one spouse NJ resident, one spouse NJ non-resident) the NJ resident spouse can file MFS. So in this case, I don't think the spouse even needs to file in NJ, unless the spouse has some NJ source income. Note that states tend to be "helpful" and allow filing MFJ, but then you have to include all-source income of the non-resident spouse! Also, if member's state of domicile is reported to DFAS as NJ, they should not be witholding state income tax, as long as the member is not assigned a permanent duty station in NJ. That should be shown on the member's JUMPS pay reports (or they can establish online access to their pay record at DFAS.gov). AFAIK, in no jursidiction does getting married force the woman, or either spouse for that matter, to change domicile. scott s. Not a tax-person, but formerly part of a dual-military couple domiciled in NY. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Cindy, CA wrote: - quote - > pattymaci[at]aol.com (PattymacI) wrote:
Does not matter where you live if you are Active Duty.> > Both spouses have been in the military since 2000. > > They were married in December, 2003 while on vacation > > in Mass. They filed a joint federal return for 2003 > > with the husband's address in Italy. > > > Husband is stationed in Italy. He has a driver's license > > from Mass and is a registered voter in Mass. He filed a > > married filing separate Mass 2003 return. He could not > > file joint with his wife because she never lived in Mass. > > > Wife entered military from NJ. She has been stationed in > > VA since 2000. She has always lived on base. No driver's > > license and not a registered voter anywhere. She will be > > sent to Italy next month. The couple will make their home > > in Mass when they get out of the military in 2006. > > > What state return does the wife file for 2003? > > Whatever state is her Home of Record with the military. - quote - > Most Active Duty members keep a Home of Record in a no-tax state...
No. Home of Record has nothing to do with legal residencefor voting or tax filing. Read this: http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/milit...meofrecord.htm << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| pattymaci[at]aol.com (PattymacI) wrote: - quote - > Both spouses have been in the military since 2000.
New Jersey is her home of record and her resident state for> They were married in December, 2003 while on vacation > in Mass. They filed a joint federal return for 2003 > with the husband's address in Italy. > Husband is stationed in Italy. He has a driver's license > from Mass and is a registered voter in Mass. He filed a > married filing separate Mass 2003 return. He could not > file joint with his wife because she never lived in Mass. > Wife entered military from NJ. She has been stationed in > VA since 2000. She has always lived on base. No driver's > license and not a registered voter anywhere. She will be > sent to Italy next month. The couple will make their home > in Mass when they get out of the military in 2006. > What state return does the wife file for 2003? tax purposes under the federal law that apples to the military until she intentionally changes her legal residency. She is a New Jersey resident for state tax purposes. I believe new Jersey exempts her military pay from taxes in these circumstances too. You might also want to show her this regarding her foreign pay in Italy. http://www.fvap.gov/pubs/vag/pdfvag/appendix_e.pdf << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| PattymacI wrote: - quote - > Both spouses have been in the military since 2000.
What is her home of record with the military? Unless and> They were married in December, 2003 while on vacation > in Mass. They filed a joint federal return for 2003 > with the husband's address in Italy. > Husband is stationed in Italy. He has a driver's license > from Mass and is a registered voter in Mass. He filed a > married filing separate Mass 2003 return. He could not > file joint with his wife because she never lived in Mass. > Wife entered military from NJ. She has been stationed in > VA since 2000. She has always lived on base. No driver's > license and not a registered voter anywhere. She will be > sent to Italy next month. The couple will make their home > in Mass when they get out of the military in 2006. > What state return does the wife file for 2003? until she changes her home of record with the service, she remains a resident of the state where she entered the service. In this case, that appears to be NJ. If she wants to file a joint state return, she can have the personnel branch change her records to show MA as her home of record. The military payroll system is programmed to withhold state taxes, if any, based on the personnel records. She cannot be required to pay state income tax on her military pay by any state EXCEPT her home of record. Lanny K. Williams, CPA Nawarat, Williams & Co. Income Tax Services for Expatriate Americans << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| pattymaci[at]aol.com (PattymacI) wrote: - quote - > Both spouses have been in the military since 2000.
Most Active Duty members keep a Home of Record in a no-tax state...> They were married in December, 2003 while on vacation > in Mass. They filed a joint federal return for 2003 > with the husband's address in Italy. > Husband is stationed in Italy. He has a driver's license > from Mass and is a registered voter in Mass. He filed a > married filing separate Mass 2003 return. He could not > file joint with his wife because she never lived in Mass. > Wife entered military from NJ. She has been stationed in > VA since 2000. She has always lived on base. No driver's > license and not a registered voter anywhere. She will be > sent to Italy next month. The couple will make their home > in Mass when they get out of the military in 2006. > What state return does the wife file for 2003? > Whatever state is her Home of Record with the military. Does not matter where you live if you are Active Duty. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Both spouses have been in the military since 2000. They were married in December, 2003 while on vacation in Mass. They filed a joint federal return for 2003 with the husband's address in Italy. Husband is stationed in Italy. He has a driver's license from Mass and is a registered voter in Mass. He filed a married filing separate Mass 2003 return. He could not file joint with his wife because she never lived in Mass. Wife entered military from NJ. She has been stationed in VA since 2000. She has always lived on base. No driver's license and not a registered voter anywhere. She will be sent to Italy next month. The couple will make their home in Mass when they get out of the military in 2006. What state return does the wife file for 2003? << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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