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| Seth Breidbart wrote: - quote - > D. Stussy <kd6lvw[at]kd6lvw.ampr.org> wrote:
Aside: If your broker charges you for unfilled orders, you> > Note that for fees attached to a cancelled SELL order, is is > > NEITHER a cost of acquisition nor cost of sale, so on what > > grounds would it be capitalizable into that lot (or those > > lots) of stock? > That needn't always be the case. For instance, I have 1000 > shares. I put in a limit sell order at $20; it doesn't > fill, the stock is trading around $19.90, so I > cancel/replace it with an order to sell at $19.90, which > fills. I'd claim that the fee for doing the cancel/replace > is part of the cost of selling. need to find a different broker. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| D. Stussy <kd6lvw[at]kd6lvw.ampr.org> wrote: - quote - > Note that for fees attached to a cancelled SELL order, is is
That needn't always be the case. For instance, I have 1000> NEITHER a cost of acquisition nor cost of sale, so on what > grounds would it be capitalizable into that lot (or those > lots) of stock? shares. I put in a limit sell order at $20; it doesn't fill, the stock is trading around $19.90, so I cancel/replace it with an order to sell at $19.90, which fills. I'd claim that the fee for doing the cancel/replace is part of the cost of selling. Seth << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| D. Stussy wrote: - quote - > Arthur L. Rubin wrote:
There are other costs which can be capitalized.> > David Kilo wrote: > > > My broker, Interactive Broker, nicks me 95 cents or so > > > everytime I cancel a limit order, a for a few other types of > > > order cancellations. Can I deduct these annoyances? > > It seems to me the cancellation of a limit sell order should > > add to the basis of the underlying stock. Cancellation of a > > limit purchase order is a miscellaneous investment expense, > > and reported as noted by "Don Priebe". > > > But I could be wrong, and, even if I'm not, and you don't > > contract to sell ALL of your stock, the 95 cents has to be > > allocated to only the basis of the stock you would have > > sold. > Note that for fees attached to a cancelled SELL order, is is > NEITHER a cost of acquisition nor cost of sale, so on what > grounds would it be capitalizable into that lot (or those > lots) of stock? However, it should also be pointed out that it would cost more than 95 cents worth of the accountant's time to process the non-transaction. It also occurs to me to question how a limit order differs from an option grant, with the cancellation fee being a contracted "buy-back" fee. This probably wouldn't hold up with the IRS, but the underlying law for non-traded options is unclear to me. If that interpretation were to hold up, then the cancellation fees for a buy order would be deductible as short term capital losses, and the cancellation fees for a sell order would be "capitalized" under the wash sale rules. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Arthur L. Rubin wrote: - quote - > David Kilo wrote:
Note that for fees attached to a cancelled SELL order, is is> > My broker, Interactive Broker, nicks me 95 cents or so > > everytime I cancel a limit order, a for a few other types of > > order cancellations. Can I deduct these annoyances? > It seems to me the cancellation of a limit sell order should > add to the basis of the underlying stock. Cancellation of a > limit purchase order is a miscellaneous investment expense, > and reported as noted by "Don Priebe". > But I could be wrong, and, even if I'm not, and you don't > contract to sell ALL of your stock, the 95 cents has to be > allocated to only the basis of the stock you would have > sold. NEITHER a cost of acquisition nor cost of sale, so on what grounds would it be capitalizable into that lot (or those lots) of stock? I agree with the answer that it is a 2%-AGI-floored misc. itemized deduction - just as the annual account fee would be, since it's not matchable to a specific transaction. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| - quote - > > > My broker, Interactive Broker, nicks me 95 cents or so
If there's a limit order to buy that gets cancelled, what> > > everytime I cancel a limit order, a for a few other types of > > > order cancellations. Can I deduct these annoyances? > > Sure. As investment expenses under miscellaneous deductions > > subject to the 2% of AGI. > Do costs of executing a buy or sell also come under the same > rule? If not, why wouldn't the cost for cancelling a limit > order be the same, and get added to basis? would it be added to the basis _of_? Seth << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| - quote - > > My broker, Interactive Broker, nicks me 95 cents or so
Do costs of executing a buy or sell also come under the same> > everytime I cancel a limit order, a for a few other types of > > order cancellations. Can I deduct these annoyances? > Sure. As investment expenses under miscellaneous deductions > subject to the 2% of AGI. rule? If not, why wouldn't the cost for cancelling a limit order be the same, and get added to basis? Stu << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| David Kilo wrote: - quote - > My broker, Interactive Broker, nicks me 95 cents or so
It seems to me the cancellation of a limit sell order should> everytime I cancel a limit order, a for a few other types of > order cancellations. Can I deduct these annoyances? add to the basis of the underlying stock. Cancellation of a limit purchase order is a miscellaneous investment expense, and reported as noted by "Don Priebe". But I could be wrong, and, even if I'm not, and you don't contract to sell ALL of your stock, the 95 cents has to be allocated to only the basis of the stock you would have sold. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| - quote - > My broker, Interactive Broker, nicks me 95 cents or so
Sure. As investment expenses under miscellaneous deductions> everytime I cancel a limit order, a for a few other types of > order cancellations. Can I deduct these annoyances? subject to the 2% of AGI. -- Don EA in Upstate NY << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| My broker, Interactive Broker, nicks me 95 cents or so everytime I cancel a limit order, a for a few other types of order cancellations. Can I deduct these annoyances? << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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