Phil Marti, Topeka, KS
"As a taxpayer, I'd rather see you refuse to waste IRS
resources filing a useless return."
-Phil, Thank You for your reply, sounds good to me.

Barney Byrd-
"Your income determines whether you are required to file a
tax return."
-Barney, Thank You for your reply, yes, no wages 'earned'.

Frank S. Duke, Jr. CPA
"If any tax was withheld from investment income, you might want to
file to get a refund."
-Frank, Thank You for your reply, yes, no investment income.

MTW/Stu-
-Thank You for your reply, over my head.

Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA-
"If you have NO income, then you are NOT required to file. So then,
don't do so and thereby clog the system. btw, who suggested you file
and why?"
-Harlan, Thank You for your reply, the city tax dept person suggested,
but after I stated wouldn't hold the inquiry as 'fact' w/out checking
other sources. They are wishing I go ahead and file city for their
records. No problem. Done.

JoeUser-
"As you say, this is an easy question, one that you could easily
answer yourself. See IRS Pub 17 at
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p17.pdf."
-Joe, Thank You for your reply. You were the one that suggested to me
my follow up main idea was not clear, I agree, I appologize. Thank
you for the link, but yet, this is/was *not* something I could
necessarily *find* on my own 'AND' be confident I was following proper
procedure and *know* what I was reading was exactly for 'me', even if
everything said so. At least before I made the move. Or shall we
talk computer network routing? lol. (I'm of good humor...)
-Thought ur post was appropriate to the other situation.

Mike Lewis, CPA-
Mike, Thank You for your reply, yes, no earned wages. Not in
possession of any w2's. (repost.)

Everyone again, Thank You.

Sincerely,

Robert

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Everyone, please forgive me, the way I wrote saying I'd call
library-city hall etc for some of the free assistance that
is setup in communities during each tax season. I was not
making a statement to be an insult, or a comment as a 'smart
guy'. I agree (in review of how it's written) and wish to
retract that statement as replace with-

I am aware there are many CPA's etc that pay attention and
help 1000's of people with tax forms for each filing year
out of their knowledge and usually for sheer pleasure, I
could talk computers, myself, to someone all day. And
restate msg as- "let me get out of the way, and do
something simple that maybe- I could have done first
anyway." In my profession which is also knowledge based,
and looking before asking, 90% of the time yeilds what one
is looking for- "If you know 'what' to ask for." And I
certainly do not *know* what to necessarily ask for when it
comes to tax filing most of the time.

I appologize to everyone in the misc.taxes.moderated group,
I was not clear, but had *good* intent, not bad. Please
forgive me. In years past this group has answered simple
questions posted by me, and I have appreciated the ability
to ask those in the profession via this ng, immensely.

Sincerely,

Robert

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- quote -

Recap- I waited what was that maybe only a full day,
thought two, and wasn't in a rush, just thought maybe I
asked a 'dumb' question. jdc_tech happens also to be me-
Robert J, just one I use in comp, auto, ng's and made the
2nd post in error by name.

WOW. Thank you everyone for ALL the replies.

-Mike-
-Did not work in year 2003.
-No wages earned, on any W2, do not possess a W2 for 2003.
-No employer submission.

Strange turn of events, was smart, saved in prior two years
while 'times were good'. Hope there is another year as such
for myself down the road (who wouldn't), guess those chances
to be small.

-.pdf info on "Do I need to File?" - Thank you for the reference.

RJT

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Frederick Jorden wrote:
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Yes! by all means.

And when Dick refunds the "posting fee", now... will it
then... be .... income? Or does that depend?

You can tell it's getting close to April 15th I think.

Cheer$$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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Stuart O. Bronstein <spamtrap[at]lexregia.com> wrote:

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That's a rather ~dicey~ distinction, and I wouldn't take the
risk. Ever heard of "fraud against a federally chartered
financial institution?" <g
Naturally, you could disclose IN WRITING that the return is
a "facsimile" but has not actually been filed. But, it seems
to me that doing so could raise even MORE questions than
just stating that you hadn't filed at all.

MTW

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"MTW" <mtwingcpa[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
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Well, they ask you for your (presumably accurate) return,
but they don't state that it has to have been filed. At
least not in my experience.

Stu

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Harlan Lunsford wrote:
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Is he entitled to a refund of the posting fee?

--
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Barney Bird wrote:
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Just ocurred to me that some people might file a zero return
just in case. Just in case the IRS discovers that they DID
have income that year.

Cheer$$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA
who can't spell occured. occurred?

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jdc_tech wrote:

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And if you read this, thanks for being patient until the six
replies have been posted. That's the trouble with computers
these day, people think they're instantaneous.

Cheer$$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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robertjtalor[at]yahoo.com (jdc_tech) wrote:

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That is a good idea. As you say, this is an easy
question, one that you could easily answer yourself.
See IRS Pub 17 at http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p17.pdf.
See the section "Do I Have to File a Return?", subsection
"Individuals In General".

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robertjtalor[at]yahoo.com (jdc_tech) wrote:

- quote -

That is a good idea. As you say, this is an easy
question, one that you could easily answer yourself.
See IRS Pub 17 at http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p17.pdf.
See the section "Do I Have to File a Return?", subsection
"Individuals In General".

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robertjtalor[at]yahoo.com (jdc_tech) wrote:

- quote -

That is a good idea. As you say, this is an easy
question, one that you could easily answer yourself.
See IRS Pub 17 at http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p17.pdf.
See the section "Do I Have to File a Return?", subsection
"Individuals In General".

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Phil Marti <philmarti[at]aol.com> wrote:

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I would agree with that IF Congress would pass a law stating
that tax returns CANNOT be used for any NON tax purpose,
such as supporting mortgage loan or financial aid
applications. When tax returns must be (improperly, in my
opinion) furnished to such third parties (often in relation
to aid programs developed by Congress), I find it FAR easier
to furnish a copy of the (arguably superfluous) return than
to explain why no return was filed in the first place.

So, I assume that Congress, in its infinite wisdom, has
considered the burden that this poses on the IRS when
setting budgets and authorizing programs.

MTW

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"rjt" <robertjtalor[at]yahoo.com> wrote:

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Your comments are unclear. Did you work and earn w-2 wages
but simply failed to receive a w-2? If so, you are
responsible for getting such w-2 and reporting it. If you
can't, create a substitue w-2 with your best available
information and submit it. I'll guarantee if one was issued
by your employer, you will hear from IRS. Same goes this
year.

Mike Lewis, CPA

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Maybe this sounds suspect, and with my limited knowledge of
the tax system, thought this would be an easy question, but
no replies. Thanks for reading anyway. Personally, had a
good 2 yr stretch in IT and actually lived off savings last
year. Meanwhile, I'll goto the Library or whatever to get
tax help instead.

Thanks for reading,

RJT

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rjt wrote:

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If you have NO income, then you are NOT required to file.

So then, don't do so and thereby clog the system.

Cheer$$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA
btw, who suggested you file and why?

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rjt at robertjtalor[at]yahoo.com wrote:

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Why? If you have no income or relatively little income, you
don't have to file. If you are single, you get a personal
exemption of $3050 and a standard deduction of $4750. If
your non-wage income does not exceed the sum of those two,
you don't have to file. If any tax was withheld from
investment income, you might want to file to get a refund.

All freely provided advice guarantee correct or double your
money back

Frank S. Duke, Jr. CPA
Cincinnati, OH USA

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"rjt" <robertjtalor[at]yahoo.com> wrote:

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Your income determines whether you are required to file a
tax return. If your income for your age and filing status
is below the threshold that requires you to file, you need
not do so. But, your filing requirement is based on your
worldwide income, not just income that IRS knows about
because the payer reported it on a Form W-2 or 1099. When
you say that you did not receive any Forms W-2 or 1099, if
that also means you had no income in 2003, then you don't
need to file a tax return.

Barney Byrd

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robertjtalor[at]yahoo.com (rjt) writes:

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As a taxpayer, I'd rather see you refuse to waste IRS
resources filing a useless return. Yes, I've heard the
"start the statute" argument, but I've never seen one
instance where someone with no income got in trouble for not
filing a return.

Phil Marti
Topeka, KS

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Why file?

Carol
What can one expect of a day that begins with getting out of bed.

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