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| Ernie Klein <eckleinspammenot[at]pacbell.net> wrote: - quote - > > > But I have sold software to users in California.
Technically, California has no jurisdiction over merchants> > Just selling to people in California does not mean you have > > to collect tax from them. > Could this be an attempt by the State of CA, to approach out > of state merchants, not to tax _them_ or even have them > collect sales tax, but rather to establish a list of > merchants that sell to residents of the state, so that the > state might then pressure those merchants to provide the > names of CA residents so that the state could then bill the > residents for *use* tax? CA has been making lots of noise > lately over the amount of sales tax it _loses_ due to out of > state sales. It smells fishy. who have no contacts in the state other than sending goods to customers. But that doesn't stop them from making a merchant's life miserable if he doesn't cooperate on some level. Stu << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| - quote - > > But I have sold software to users in California.
Could this be an attempt by the State of CA, to approach out> Just selling to people in California does not mean you have > to collect tax from them. of state merchants, not to tax _them_ or even have them collect sales tax, but rather to establish a list of merchants that sell to residents of the state, so that the state might then pressure those merchants to provide the names of CA residents so that the state could then bill the residents for *use* tax? CA has been making lots of noise lately over the amount of sales tax it _loses_ due to out of state sales. It smells fishy. -- -Ernie- "There are only two kinds of computer users -- those who have suffered a catastrophic hard drive failure, and those who will." Have you done your backup today? << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| - quote - > > > > - Do you lease or license computer software for use
If you do not actually use software in California but only> > > > in California? > > > > (Yes, license - not lease) > > > Your business uses computer software in California? > > > How and why? > You misunderstood or didn't read the beginning of my post. > No, my business does not use computer software in > California. I *sell* licenses for software I wrote, and > some of the users who buy those licenses are in California. > I license it *to* others, I am not the licensee. sell it there, I believe they should not be able to impose tax on you. I think your answer to that should be "no." - quote - > > > > - Is the software held on physical storage media such
So it's not on physical storage media in California until> > > > as disks, CDs, or tapes? (Yes, sometimes) > > > held on physical storage media in California??? > When I sell my computer software, I either ship it on a CD > or I transmit the software electronically to the buyer. So > the answer is "sometimes". Sometimes the buyer wants me to > ship a CD and sometimes they just want it electronically and > I ship nothing physical. you sell it. Is that right? That's another "no." - quote - > > > > > - Do you make sales to end users (consumers) in California?
Just selling to people in California does not mean you have> (Yes, sometimes) > > > This one really doesn't add anything, other than that they > > > can't tax you if you don't have any sales at all in the > > > state. > But I have sold software to users in California. to collect tax from them. Stu << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| - quote - > > > - Do you lease or license computer software for use
You misunderstood or didn't read the beginning of my post.> > > in California? > > > (Yes, license - not lease) > > Your business uses computer software in California? > > How and why? No, my business does not use computer software in California. I *sell* licenses for software I wrote, and some of the users who buy those licenses are in California. I license it *to* others, I am not the licensee. - quote - > > > - Is the software held on physical storage media such
When I sell my computer software, I either ship it on a CD> > > as disks, CDs, or tapes? (Yes, sometimes) > > held on physical storage media in California??? or I transmit the software electronically to the buyer. So the answer is "sometimes". Sometimes the buyer wants me to ship a CD and sometimes they just want it electronically and I ship nothing physical. - quote - > > > > - Do you make sales to end users (consumers) in California? (Yes, sometimes) - quote - > > This one really doesn't add anything, other than that they
But I have sold software to users in California.> > can't tax you if you don't have any sales at all in the > > state. - quote - > > > > If you don't answer and California has enough evidence that
Sounds like "guilty until proven innocent".> > > > allows them to think (reasonably or not) that you owe sales > > > > tax there, they could assess a tax, and possibly even get a > > > > judgment against you. Then they could go to Pennsylvania and > > > > enforce the judgment, whether you are really required to > > > > collect California sales taxes or not. If they did this, they would end up with a net loss. The tax would probably amount to less than $200. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "JJ" <jj[at]nospam.com> wrote: - quote - > I have a part-time computer software business in
It's not a matter of your having set foot in California.> Pennsylvania. I sell licenses for some of the software I > wrote. Sometimes I ship a CD, other times it is a license > key sent by e-mail. > I received a questionaire from the California State Board of > Equalization stating "Our information indicates that your > business activities in this State may require you to > register under the State of California Sales and Use Tax > Law. To assist us in determining if your company needs to > register...blah blah blah" followed by a list of 13 > questions. > I've never set foot in the state of California. Why do I > have any obligation to (potentially) collect sales tax for > them? It's a matter of whether you have "purposely availed" yourself of any benefits of transacting business there. For example, do you have any sales people or representatives in California? Do you have or use property in California for your business? If so, you may well be subject to state sales tax. Additionally, some states are getting together to form compacts that require their citizens to collect sales taxes from residents of other compact states. I do now know if California and Pennsylvania have such a compact. - quote - > I could answer the questionaire, but I feel as if it is some
Your business uses computer software in California? How and> sort of trap. Of all of the questions, the only ones I can > answer Yes to are: > - Do you lease or license computer software for use in > California? (Yes, license - not lease) why? - quote - > - Is the software held on physical storage media such as
held on physical storage media in California???> disks, CDs, or tapes? (Yes, sometimes) - quote - > - Do you make sales to end users (consumers) in California?
This one really doesn't add anything, other than that they> (Yes, sometimes) can't tax you if you don't have any sales at all in the state. - quote - > Everything else is a "No" - I have no agents, contractors,
If you don't answer and California has enough evidence that> etc. working for me in California. I'm one guy, working out > of my house in PA. > What happens if I simply don't answer their questionaire? I > have no physical presence in that state and never have, so > what power would they possibly have over me and my business? allows them to think (reasonably or not) that you owe sales tax there, they could assess a tax, and possibly even get a judgment against you. Then they could go to Pennsylvania and enforce the judgment, whether you are really required to collect California sales taxes or not. I'd suggest talking to a tax attorney who is familiar with these issues, who can evaluate your specific situation and recomment how best to proceed. (But if you say to him, "International Shoe" and he says, "huh?" you probably ought to keep looking.) Stu << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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