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| juliebrown[at]yahoo.com (julie) wrote: - quote - > I have had this client for 14 years. He is great. He shows
Roger and Yolanda Roche, who run R.B.S. Tax Services in> up in February and has records with supporting reciepts and > logs. He always has 'gambling' winnings. Until this year, > winnings have been between $600 and $2000. For 2003, they > are $46K plus. As usual all of the winnings are from > playing poker. Never before has he wanted to deduct > expenses. Now he has $11,000 in documented expenses related > to two poker tournaments where he won over $25K and two > trips on which he won another $12K. > When I asked why he had such a huge jump in income from > gambling, he gave me two reasons: his wife left him and the > way he plays it is not really gambling. > I have no problem filing a Schedule C for him. What I do > not want is an audit. Audits to me are a waste of time. > Auditors are never prepared. Has anybody here ever had to > deal with a gambler filing a Schedule C and, if so how did > you handle it? Las Vegas, Nevada ("R.B.S. is better than their BS"), claim to be the experts in this field of taxation. See http://www.rbstaxes.com/ If he's a bona fide professional gambler, his travel expenses are indeed Schedule C business expenses, and his net is subject to SE tax. IRS has had to honor professional gambling as a "trade or business" since Groetzinger v. Commissioner (1987) but often challenges pro gambler status. His evidence that he gambled (discount the "not really gambling") with regularity and continuity and in expectation of making a profit, as well as the usual detailed records expected of a gambler, should be up to scratch. With the current fad for high-stakes poker, we may be seeing a lot more gambling loss deductions and wannabe professional gamblers. -- My only qualification in this area is my cousin Howard was a professional gambler, Chris Green << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| D. Stussy wrote: - quote - > julie wrote:
Uh... "reportable" ? or "reported"? There's a difference> > I have had this client for 14 years. He is great. He shows > > up in February and has records with supporting reciepts and > > logs. He always has 'gambling' winnings. Until this year, > > winnings have been between $600 and $2000. For 2003, they > > are $46K plus. As usual all of the winnings are from > > playing poker. Never before has he wanted to deduct > > expenses. Now he has $11,000 in documented expenses related > > to two poker tournaments where he won over $25K and two > > trips on which he won another $12K. > > > When I asked why he had such a huge jump in income from > > gambling, he gave me two reasons: his wife left him and the > > way he plays it is not really gambling. > > > I have no problem filing a Schedule C for him. What I do > > not want is an audit. Audits to me are a waste of time. > > Auditors are never prepared. Has anybody here ever had to > > deal with a gambler filing a Schedule C and, if so how did > > you handle it? > If that's all he won, he probably doesn't qualify for > Schedule C treatment. > Now, I once saw the audit file of a professional gambler - > who had about 600 W-2G's issued to her, totalling over $2M > gross. That's seems to be quite different from what you > describe.... [Also note that was just the reportable > winnings....] in the final analysis I think. ![]() Cheer$, Harlan Lunsford << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| julie wrote: - quote - > I have had this client for 14 years. He is great. He shows
If that's all he won, he probably doesn't qualify for> up in February and has records with supporting reciepts and > logs. He always has 'gambling' winnings. Until this year, > winnings have been between $600 and $2000. For 2003, they > are $46K plus. As usual all of the winnings are from > playing poker. Never before has he wanted to deduct > expenses. Now he has $11,000 in documented expenses related > to two poker tournaments where he won over $25K and two > trips on which he won another $12K. > When I asked why he had such a huge jump in income from > gambling, he gave me two reasons: his wife left him and the > way he plays it is not really gambling. > I have no problem filing a Schedule C for him. What I do > not want is an audit. Audits to me are a waste of time. > Auditors are never prepared. Has anybody here ever had to > deal with a gambler filing a Schedule C and, if so how did > you handle it? Schedule C treatment. Now, I once saw the audit file of a professional gambler - who had about 600 W-2G's issued to her, totalling over $2M gross. That's seems to be quite different from what you describe.... [Also note that was just the reportable winnings....] << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| I have had this client for 14 years. He is great. He shows up in February and has records with supporting reciepts and logs. He always has 'gambling' winnings. Until this year, winnings have been between $600 and $2000. For 2003, they are $46K plus. As usual all of the winnings are from playing poker. Never before has he wanted to deduct expenses. Now he has $11,000 in documented expenses related to two poker tournaments where he won over $25K and two trips on which he won another $12K. When I asked why he had such a huge jump in income from gambling, he gave me two reasons: his wife left him and the way he plays it is not really gambling. I have no problem filing a Schedule C for him. What I do not want is an audit. Audits to me are a waste of time. Auditors are never prepared. Has anybody here ever had to deal with a gambler filing a Schedule C and, if so how did you handle it? << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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