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Old 03-01-2004, 07:25 PM
Harlan Lunsford
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Al Bundy wrote:
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> philmarti[at]aol.com (Phil Marti) wrote in news:103m4bmi69sm1f0
> > Al Bundy <postmaster[at]127.0.0.1> writes:


> > > Special Rules
> > > > > If you choose married filing separately as your filing
> > > status, the following special rules apply.
> > > > > 11) If your spouse itemizes deductions, you cannot claim the
> > > standard deduction. If you can claim the standard deduction,
> > > it is half the amount allowed on a joint return.


> > Unusually badly written for an IRS Pub. The sentences stand
> > alone and do not conflict with each other. The first
> > sentence says that both spouses must use the same deduction
> > system. The second sentence says that if they use standard
> > deduction, each gets a standard deduction equal to half the
> > joint standard deduction.
> > > For a less confusing statement, see the verbiage beginning

> > after the first "TIP" in Chapter 22 of Pub 17 (bullet 1).


> Lemme see if I got this now then.
> MFS situation:
> Spouse itemizes.
> Other cannot take standard deduction.
> Should itemize no matter what.
> MFS situation:
> Neither itemizes.
> Both take 1/2 standard deduction.


Nope. Both take the full standard deduction for their
category.

Cheer$,
Harlan Lunsford

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Old 03-01-2004, 06:46 PM
Phil Marti
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Default Re: Married Filing Separate

Al Bundy <postmaster[at]127.0.0.1> writes:

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> Lemme see if I got this now then.
> MFS situation:
> Spouse itemizes.
> Other cannot take standard deduction.
> Should itemize no matter what.
> MFS situation:
> Neither itemizes.
> Both take 1/2 standard deduction.


As to your last statement, each takes the standard deduction
for the MFS filing status. That just happens to be 1/2 of
the standard deduction for MFJ.

Otherwise, bingo!

Phil Marti
Topeka, KS

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Old 02-29-2004, 07:58 PM
Al Bundy
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philmarti[at]aol.com (Phil Marti) wrote in news:103m4bmi69sm1f0
- quote -

> Al Bundy <postmaster[at]127.0.0.1> writes:

> > Special Rules
> > > If you choose married filing separately as your filing

> > status, the following special rules apply.
> > > 11) If your spouse itemizes deductions, you cannot claim the

> > standard deduction. If you can claim the standard deduction,
> > it is half the amount allowed on a joint return.


> Unusually badly written for an IRS Pub. The sentences stand
> alone and do not conflict with each other. The first
> sentence says that both spouses must use the same deduction
> system. The second sentence says that if they use standard
> deduction, each gets a standard deduction equal to half the
> joint standard deduction.
> For a less confusing statement, see the verbiage beginning
> after the first "TIP" in Chapter 22 of Pub 17 (bullet 1).


Lemme see if I got this now then.

MFS situation:
Spouse itemizes.
Other cannot take standard deduction.
Should itemize no matter what.

MFS situation:
Neither itemizes.
Both take 1/2 standard deduction.

??????

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Old 02-24-2004, 07:55 AM
Harlan Lunsford
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Al Bundy wrote:
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> kamlet[at]panix.com (Arthur Kamlet) wrote:
> > EFranklin <evcpa9[at]netscape.net> wrote:


> > > Can one spouse itemize and the other spouse take the
> > > standard deduction. Recently married in June 2003 and
> > > wife has filed married filing separate.


> > Then husband's standard deduction is zero, and the only
> > deduction available to him is from itemizing.


> Those are 2002 rules I think.
> 2003:
> Pub 17 pg 24-25
> Special Rules
> If you choose married filing separately as your filing
> status, the following special rules apply.
> 11) If your spouse itemizes deductions, you cannot claim the
> standard deduction. If you can claim the standard deduction,
> it is half the amount allowed on a joint return.


then what changed?

Cheer$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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Old 02-24-2004, 07:55 AM
Phil Marti
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Al Bundy <postmaster[at]127.0.0.1> writes:

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> Special Rules
> If you choose married filing separately as your filing
> status, the following special rules apply.
> 11) If your spouse itemizes deductions, you cannot claim the
> standard deduction. If you can claim the standard deduction,
> it is half the amount allowed on a joint return.


Unusually badly written for an IRS Pub. The sentences stand
alone and do not conflict with each other. The first
sentence says that both spouses must use the same deduction
system. The second sentence says that if they use standard
deduction, each gets a standard deduction equal to half the
joint standard deduction.

For a less confusing statement, see the verbiage beginning
after the first "TIP" in Chapter 22 of Pub 17 (bullet 1).

Phil Marti
Topeka, KS

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Old 02-23-2004, 05:20 PM
Al Bundy
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kamlet[at]panix.com (Arthur Kamlet) wrote:
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> EFranklin <evcpa9[at]netscape.net> wrote:

> > Can one spouse itemize and the other spouse take the
> > standard deduction. Recently married in June 2003 and
> > wife has filed married filing separate.


> Then husband's standard deduction is zero, and the only
> deduction available to him is from itemizing.


Those are 2002 rules I think.

2003:

Pub 17 pg 24-25

Special Rules

If you choose married filing separately as your filing
status, the following special rules apply.

11) If your spouse itemizes deductions, you cannot claim the
standard deduction. If you can claim the standard deduction,
it is half the amount allowed on a joint return.

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Old 02-23-2004, 03:24 PM
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EFranklin wrote:

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> Can one spouse itemize and the other spouse take the
> standard deduction. Recently married in June 2003 and
> wife has filed married filing separate.


No: Specifically not allowed.

However, if both qualify for head-of-household, the
"unmarried" treatment via section 7703 (from the reference
in IRC 63(g)) means that the rule in 63(c)(6)(A) requiring
married-separate filers to match doesn't apply.

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Old 02-23-2004, 03:05 PM
Phil Marti
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> Can one spouse itemize and the other spouse take the
> standard deduction.


No.

- quote -

> Recently married in June 2003 and
> wife has filed married filing separate.


Gee, I guess the honeymoon is over. They can amed that to
file a joint return if it's too their advantage.

Phil Marti
Topeka, KS

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Old 02-23-2004, 03:05 PM
Al Bundy
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EFranklin <evcpa9[at]netscape.net> wrote in news:103g1sq4djg3bd6

- quote -

> Can one spouse itemize and the other spouse take the
> standard deduction. Recently married in June 2003 and
> wife has filed married filing separate.


Pub 17 pg 24-25

Special Rules

If you choose married filing separately as your filing
status, the following special rules apply.

11) If your spouse itemizes deductions, you cannot claim the
standard deduction. If you can claim the standard deduction,
it is half the amount allowed on a joint return.

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Old 02-22-2004, 06:19 AM
Allan Martin
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"EFranklin" <evcpa9[at]netscape.net> wrote:

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> Can one spouse itemize and the other spouse take the
> standard deduction. Recently married in June 2003 and
> wife has filed married filing separate.


No.

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Old 02-22-2004, 06:19 AM
Arthur Kamlet
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EFranklin <evcpa9[at]netscape.net> wrote:

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> Can one spouse itemize and the other spouse take the
> standard deduction. Recently married in June 2003 and
> wife has filed married filing separate.


Then husband's standard deduction is zero, and the only
deduction available to him is from itemizing.

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Art Kamlet ArtKamlet [at] AOL.com Columbus OH K2PZH

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Old 02-22-2004, 06:19 AM
A.G. Kalman
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EFranklin wrote:

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> Can one spouse itemize and the other spouse take the
> standard deduction.


No. They both have to compute deductions using the same method.

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Old 02-22-2004, 12:36 AM
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Can one spouse itemize and the other spouse take the
standard deduction. Recently married in June 2003 and
wife has filed married filing separate.

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