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| Phil Marti wrote: - quote - > "Roger R." <jayray21remove[at]hotmail.com> writes:
[Possibly aside:] Interesting, but one caveat based on the> > I did a tax return for an individual whose tax preparer last > > year determined that for tax year 2002 he was Head of > > Household based on his payments of child support for a child > > who was NOT also his dependent. Is it possible for that > > status to exist? The child does not live with him, and he is > > a truck driver who spends about 330 days a year on the road. > The key fact here is that the child didn't live with him. > Dependency and support are not relevant. Since the child > didn't live with him for more than half the year, he's not > eligible for HofH filing status. occupation: Did the child live at the trucker's home base - and the reason why the 6-month rule wasn't literally met was because the trucker was on the road? If so, it still might have been met if the trucker can establish that he is not an itinerate worker and has a "tax home" at his home base..... << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| - quote - > The criteria for HOH are:
... qualifying person must be the CHILD of the person> 1. Unmarried. > 2. Paid more than half the cost of keeping up a home. > 3. Qualifying person lived with you more than half the year. > Sounds to me like he could not possibly have met #3 and > maybe not #2. claiming HoH, not nephew or other relationship if claiming HoH with non-dependent. ....if claiming HoH with a dependent, be aware the INCOME of the dependent if not a child must be less than $3050 for 2003 taxes. In one case this week, client made $100K. Her mother worked at Wal-Mart, made $3400. Therefore mother was not a dependent and also could not make t/p be HoH with non-dependent. Mom is non-existent....thems the rules. exhaustedly yours, Cindy << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Sassy Baskets" <sassybaskets[at]hotmail.com> wrote: - quote - > "Roger R." <jayray21remove[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for pointing these situations out.> > I did a tax return for an individual whose tax preparer last > > year determined that for tax year 2002 he was Head of > > Household based on his payments of child support for a child > > who was NOT also his dependent. Is it possible for that > > status to exist? The child does not live with him, and he is > > a truck driver who spends about 330 days a year on the road. > Your child does not have to be your dependent to be a > qualifying person for Head of Household; however, they do > have to live with you. You are correct that this person is > not Head of Household. > > I have good reason to believe that the prior year tax > > preparer has submitted a number of rather shady tax returns, > > and when I could not find any basis to give the tax payer > > HoH status, based my determination to some extent on the > > other evidence I had of the shady nature of other returns > > that individual has submitted. She was earlier this tax > > season apparently arranging to trade children between family > > members to obtain EIC from tax payers who had not actually > > cared for the children, > In some cases, you do not have to care for a child to use > them for EIC (if the child is your child, stepchild, > grandchild, or great-grandchild). There are many cases when > it is legal to "swap" kids for EIC--for example, if three > generations lived together in one home, the grandparent > could claim the kid for EIC. But if it's a different > relationship (uncle, for example) or the relative did not > live with the child, then yeah, that would be pretty shady. - quote - > > and she was apparently charging a
This woman worked for a tax preparation service, but was> > fee for that kind of increase in the tax return. > In a case where the "swapping" was legal, I think it would > be legitimate to charge extra, not because of the increase > in refund, but for the additional work. charging the fee off the books. It went to her pocket. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| tweety wrote: - quote - > I have a question on this. My son lives with me 365 days a
Head of household? Yes.> year. His dad pays child support but I signed a form to let > him take excemption every other year (he said he was going > to see my son every weekend..- NOT. Can I claim Head of > household and claim my son as a dependent? Dependent? Only as per the agreement. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| patel227[at]yahoo.com (tweety) writes: - quote - > My son lives with me 365 days a
You can file as Head of Household every year. You can claim> year. His dad pays child support but I signed a form to let > him take excemption every other year (he said he was going > to see my son every weekend..- NOT. Can I claim Head of > household and claim my son as a dependent? your son as a dependent unless you release the exemption to your ex. It sounds like you have released it in alternating years, so you'll claim the exemption in alternating years. Details are in IRS Publication 501. Phil Marti Topeka, KS << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Roger R." <jayray21remove[at]hotmail.com> wrote: - quote - > I did a tax return for an individual whose tax preparer last
I have a question on this. My son lives with me 365 days a> year determined that for tax year 2002 he was Head of > Household based on his payments of child support for a child > who was NOT also his dependent. Is it possible for that > status to exist? The child does not live with him, and he is > a truck driver who spends about 330 days a year on the road. > I determined that it was not HoH, and sent his tax return in > as single. Are there any circumstances under which I could > have been wrong? > I have good reason to believe that the prior year tax > preparer has submitted a number of rather shady tax returns, > and when I could not find any basis to give the tax payer > HoH status, based my determination to some extent on the > other evidence I had of the shady nature of other returns > that individual has submitted. She was earlier this tax > season apparently arranging to trade children between family > members to obtain EIC from tax payers who had not actually > cared for the children, and she was apparently charging a > fee for that kind of increase in the tax return. She is no > longer working as a tax preparer this year, and there is an > on-going investigation of returns she worked on. > My question is strictly on the possibility of an individual > being considered head of household based on a child who is > not his dependent. year. His dad pays child support but I signed a form to let him take excemption every other year (he said he was going to see my son every weekend..- NOT. Can I claim Head of household and claim my son as a dependent? << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Roger R. wrote: - quote - > I did a tax return for an individual whose tax preparer last
The qualifying person for HOH does not necessarily have to> year determined that for tax year 2002 he was Head of > Household based on his payments of child support for a child > who was NOT also his dependent. Is it possible for that > status to exist? The child does not live with him, and he is > a truck driver who spends about 330 days a year on the road. > I determined that it was not HoH, and sent his tax return in > as single. Are there any circumstances under which I could > have been wrong? > I have good reason to believe that the prior year tax > preparer has submitted a number of rather shady tax returns, > and when I could not find any basis to give the tax payer > HoH status, based my determination to some extent on the > other evidence I had of the shady nature of other returns > that individual has submitted. She was earlier this tax > season apparently arranging to trade children between family > members to obtain EIC from tax payers who had not actually > cared for the children, and she was apparently charging a > fee for that kind of increase in the tax return. She is no > longer working as a tax preparer this year, and there is an > on-going investigation of returns she worked on. > My question is strictly on the possibility of an individual > being considered head of household based on a child who is > not his dependent. be a dependent of the taxpayer. E.g., an unmarried child would not have to be your dependent. However, the other rule requires that this qualifying person live with you for more than half the year. You said the child does not live with him. (Pretty obvious if he is paying child support to the custodial parent.) He fails the test for HOH. -- Alan http://taxtopics.net << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Roger R. wrote: - quote - > I did a tax return for an individual whose tax preparer last
IIRC, an HoH-qualifying child must live with you. The child> year determined that for tax year 2002 he was Head of > Household based on his payments of child support for a child > who was NOT also his dependent. Is it possible for that > status to exist? The child does not live with him, and he is > a truck driver who spends about 330 days a year on the road. DOES NOT have to be a dependent, as the tests are different, but it doesn't seem as if your situation qualifies. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| - quote - > I did a tax return for an individual whose tax preparer last
The criteria for HOH are:> year determined that for tax year 2002 he was Head of > Household based on his payments of child support for a child > who was NOT also his dependent.... > The child does not live with him, and he is > a truck driver who spends about 330 days a year on the road. > I determined that it was not HoH, and sent his tax return in > as single. Are there any circumstances under which I could > have been wrong? 1. Unmarried. 2. Paid more than half the cost of keeping up a home. 3. Qualifying person lived with you more than half the year. Sounds to me like he could not possibly have met #3 and maybe not #2. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Roger R." <jayray21remove[at]hotmail.com> wrote: - quote - > I did a tax return for an individual whose tax preparer last
Your child does not have to be your dependent to be a> year determined that for tax year 2002 he was Head of > Household based on his payments of child support for a child > who was NOT also his dependent. Is it possible for that > status to exist? The child does not live with him, and he is > a truck driver who spends about 330 days a year on the road. qualifying person for Head of Household; however, they do have to live with you. You are correct that this person is not Head of Household. - quote - > I have good reason to believe that the prior year tax
In some cases, you do not have to care for a child to use> preparer has submitted a number of rather shady tax returns, > and when I could not find any basis to give the tax payer > HoH status, based my determination to some extent on the > other evidence I had of the shady nature of other returns > that individual has submitted. She was earlier this tax > season apparently arranging to trade children between family > members to obtain EIC from tax payers who had not actually > cared for the children, them for EIC (if the child is your child, stepchild, grandchild, or great-grandchild). There are many cases when it is legal to "swap" kids for EIC--for example, if three generations lived together in one home, the grandparent could claim the kid for EIC. But if it's a different relationship (uncle, for example) or the relative did not live with the child, then yeah, that would be pretty shady. - quote - > and she was apparently charging a
In a case where the "swapping" was legal, I think it would> fee for that kind of increase in the tax return. be legitimate to charge extra, not because of the increase in refund, but for the additional work. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Roger R." <jayray21remove[at]hotmail.com> writes: - quote - > I did a tax return for an individual whose tax preparer last
The key fact here is that the child didn't live with him.> year determined that for tax year 2002 he was Head of > Household based on his payments of child support for a child > who was NOT also his dependent. Is it possible for that > status to exist? The child does not live with him, and he is > a truck driver who spends about 330 days a year on the road. Dependency and support are not relevant. Since the child didn't live with him for more than half the year, he's not eligible for HofH filing status. - quote - > I determined that it was not HoH, and sent his tax return in
Assuming the same fact pattern for 2003, no.> as single. Are there any circumstances under which I could > have been wrong? - quote - > I have good reason to believe that the prior year tax
Good> preparer has submitted a number of rather shady tax returns, > and when I could not find any basis to give the tax payer > HoH status, based my determination to some extent on the > other evidence I had of the shady nature of other returns > that individual has submitted. She was earlier this tax > season apparently arranging to trade children between family > members to obtain EIC from tax payers who had not actually > cared for the children, and she was apparently charging a > fee for that kind of increase in the tax return. She is no > longer working as a tax preparer this year, and there is an > on-going investigation of returns she worked on. - quote - > My question is strictly on the possibility of an individual
Again, an unmarried child who lives with you is a qualifying> being considered head of household based on a child who is > not his dependent. person for HofH filing status whether the child is your dependent or not. Same goes for an EIC qualifying child. Phil Marti Topeka, KS << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| I did a tax return for an individual whose tax preparer last year determined that for tax year 2002 he was Head of Household based on his payments of child support for a child who was NOT also his dependent. Is it possible for that status to exist? The child does not live with him, and he is a truck driver who spends about 330 days a year on the road. I determined that it was not HoH, and sent his tax return in as single. Are there any circumstances under which I could have been wrong? I have good reason to believe that the prior year tax preparer has submitted a number of rather shady tax returns, and when I could not find any basis to give the tax payer HoH status, based my determination to some extent on the other evidence I had of the shady nature of other returns that individual has submitted. She was earlier this tax season apparently arranging to trade children between family members to obtain EIC from tax payers who had not actually cared for the children, and she was apparently charging a fee for that kind of increase in the tax return. She is no longer working as a tax preparer this year, and there is an on-going investigation of returns she worked on. My question is strictly on the possibility of an individual being considered head of household based on a child who is not his dependent. Roger R. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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