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| bill wrote: - quote - > "A.G. Kalman" <glendale202-mtm[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
Yes and the earned income would be reflected on the 1065> > Bill Lloyd wrote: > > > A married couple had a business in Canada. They are both > > > long term residents of Canada but she is a US citizen and > > > husband is Canadian. They were operating a bed and > > > breakfast business in the Niagara Falls area as equal > > > partners (50% each of profit or losses). Husband does not > > > file US tax returns. > > > > > I am not sure how wife should report her share of profit on > > > her US tax return. I spoke to the IRS and they said it > > > should be reported on Schedule C using US tax laws and > > > currency with an explanation that it was a partnership and > > > only half of net income was hers. Another IRS agent I spoke > > > to said it should go on a Schedule K-1 (Form 1065). Would I > > > be correct in reporting all income and expenses on Schedule > > > C and then transfer her share to the K-1or just ignore K-1 > > > as their business was a spousal partnership and not one that > > > probably was meant for form K-1. I am aware of Form 2555 - > > > the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion and will be claiming it > > > for her as profit was only about 5,000 Canadian. The > > > Foreign Earned Income Exclusion will offset her business > > > income but I am just in a quandry as to what the proper way > > > to report her share of the business income on the 1040. > > Assuming we are not dealing with a Canadian Province that > > follows community property laws, you have a partnership that > > requires the filing of a Form 1065 and the K-1. Be sure to > > review the rules regarding when partnership income is > > treated as earned income vs unearned income for purposes of > > the foreign earned income exclusion. If capital investment > > is an important factor in producing the income, earned > > income could be zero (no services provided) or limited to > > 30% of the profit or the value of the services provided. > Income from a Bed-and-Breakfast would pretty clearly be > earned income, based at the prsumed short term occupancy as > well as the meal provided and daily maid service. Schedule K-1 line 15a. -- Alan http://taxtopics.net << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "A.G. Kalman" <glendale202-mtm[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > Bill Lloyd wrote:
Income from a Bed-and-Breakfast would pretty clearly be> > A married couple had a business in Canada. They are both > > long term residents of Canada but she is a US citizen and > > husband is Canadian. They were operating a bed and > > breakfast business in the Niagara Falls area as equal > > partners (50% each of profit or losses). Husband does not > > file US tax returns. > > > I am not sure how wife should report her share of profit on > > her US tax return. I spoke to the IRS and they said it > > should be reported on Schedule C using US tax laws and > > currency with an explanation that it was a partnership and > > only half of net income was hers. Another IRS agent I spoke > > to said it should go on a Schedule K-1 (Form 1065). Would I > > be correct in reporting all income and expenses on Schedule > > C and then transfer her share to the K-1or just ignore K-1 > > as their business was a spousal partnership and not one that > > probably was meant for form K-1. I am aware of Form 2555 - > > the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion and will be claiming it > > for her as profit was only about 5,000 Canadian. The > > Foreign Earned Income Exclusion will offset her business > > income but I am just in a quandry as to what the proper way > > to report her share of the business income on the 1040. > > > Thanks for any assistance. > Assuming we are not dealing with a Canadian Province that > follows community property laws, you have a partnership that > requires the filing of a Form 1065 and the K-1. Be sure to > review the rules regarding when partnership income is > treated as earned income vs unearned income for purposes of > the foreign earned income exclusion. If capital investment > is an important factor in producing the income, earned > income could be zero (no services provided) or limited to > 30% of the profit or the value of the services provided. earned income, based at the prsumed short term occupancy as well as the meal provided and daily maid service. Bill << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Bill Lloyd <william.lloyd1[at]home.com> wrote: - quote - > A married couple had a business in Canada. They are both
Well, let's see. Your arrangement with your husband does> long term residents of Canada but she is a US citizen and > husband is Canadian. They were operating a bed and > breakfast business in the Niagara Falls area as equal > partners (50% each of profit or losses). Husband does not > file US tax returns. > I am not sure how wife should report her share of profit on > her US tax return. I spoke to the IRS and they said it > should be reported on Schedule C using US tax laws and > currency with an explanation that it was a partnership and > only half of net income was hers. Another IRS agent I spoke > to said it should go on a Schedule K-1 (Form 1065). Would I > be correct in reporting all income and expenses on Schedule > C and then transfer her share to the K-1or just ignore K-1 > as their business was a spousal partnership and not one that > probably was meant for form K-1. I am aware of Form 2555 - > the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion and will be claiming it > for her as profit was only about 5,000 Canadian. The > Foreign Earned Income Exclusion will offset her business > income but I am just in a quandry as to what the proper way > to report her share of the business income on the 1040. sound like a partnership under U.S. tax rules. Assuming that the partnership is created under foreign law, then it would be a foreign partnership. Because you own 50% of this partnership and you are "attributed" the ownership of the other 50% that your husband owns, this would be a Controlled Foreign Partnership. As such, this would require the filing of Form 8865. Since there is likely no written document, you may be able to create a written document specifying that the partnership is formed under U.S. law. However, this would not necessarily be helpful. You would then need to file Form 1065 instead of Form 8865 and it may complicate your Canadian filing requirements. You could argue that no partnership exists and that your arrangement is merely sharing of expenses. If you were successful with this, then you would not need to file Form 8865 or Form 1065. So far, we have only discussed the U.S. tax implications. You need to consider the Canadian tax implications. In the U.S., and many other countries (I don't know about Canada), if a nonresident [I am assuming you are not a resident of Canada] purchases real estate within that country and rents that real estate to others, the rental income is subject to some sort of tax. Either the gross rental income is subject to a withholding tax, or the net rental income is subject to an income tax. I suspect that Canada has similar rules. Canada likely wants its piece of the pie since the property generating the income is located in Canada. You may have filing requirements to the Canadian tax authorities and owe Canadian tax. If you do pay tax in Canada, you should be able to claim those taxes as a foreign tax credit against your U.S. taxes. However, there are various limitations on utilizing foreign tax credits. A simplified approach might be to have your husband recognize all of the income and pay tax on it in Canada. This would remove the partnership complication as well as removing the "cross-border" complication. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Bill Lloyd wrote: - quote - > A married couple had a business in Canada. They are both
Assuming we are not dealing with a Canadian Province that> long term residents of Canada but she is a US citizen and > husband is Canadian. They were operating a bed and > breakfast business in the Niagara Falls area as equal > partners (50% each of profit or losses). Husband does not > file US tax returns. > I am not sure how wife should report her share of profit on > her US tax return. I spoke to the IRS and they said it > should be reported on Schedule C using US tax laws and > currency with an explanation that it was a partnership and > only half of net income was hers. Another IRS agent I spoke > to said it should go on a Schedule K-1 (Form 1065). Would I > be correct in reporting all income and expenses on Schedule > C and then transfer her share to the K-1or just ignore K-1 > as their business was a spousal partnership and not one that > probably was meant for form K-1. I am aware of Form 2555 - > the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion and will be claiming it > for her as profit was only about 5,000 Canadian. The > Foreign Earned Income Exclusion will offset her business > income but I am just in a quandry as to what the proper way > to report her share of the business income on the 1040. > Thanks for any assistance. follows community property laws, you have a partnership that requires the filing of a Form 1065 and the K-1. Be sure to review the rules regarding when partnership income is treated as earned income vs unearned income for purposes of the foreign earned income exclusion. If capital investment is an important factor in producing the income, earned income could be zero (no services provided) or limited to 30% of the profit or the value of the services provided. -- Alan http://taxtopics.net << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Bill Lloyd wrote: - quote - > A married couple had a business in Canada. They are both
That would be correct, except that it's a foreign> long term residents of Canada but she is a US citizen and > husband is Canadian. They were operating a bed and > breakfast business in the Niagara Falls area as equal > partners (50% each of profit or losses). Husband does not > file US tax returns. > I am not sure how wife should report her share of profit on > her US tax return. I spoke to the IRS and they said it > should be reported on Schedule C using US tax laws and > currency with an explanation that it was a partnership and > only half of net income was hers. Another IRS agent I spoke > to said it should go on a Schedule K-1 (Form 1065). partnership, which probably wouldn't prepare a 1065, but only the Canadian equivalent. (If there is such a thing.) I think I'd go with the first choice, but only reporting half of the income and expenses (converted to US currency). However -- in theory, she would also have to worry about capital gains on her personal use of canadian currency (or checking accounts). I don't know the IRS rulings on this, but there's clearly no difference in US tax law between a stock certificate and a CDN$100 bill. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| A married couple had a business in Canada. They are both long term residents of Canada but she is a US citizen and husband is Canadian. They were operating a bed and breakfast business in the Niagara Falls area as equal partners (50% each of profit or losses). Husband does not file US tax returns. I am not sure how wife should report her share of profit on her US tax return. I spoke to the IRS and they said it should be reported on Schedule C using US tax laws and currency with an explanation that it was a partnership and only half of net income was hers. Another IRS agent I spoke to said it should go on a Schedule K-1 (Form 1065). Would I be correct in reporting all income and expenses on Schedule C and then transfer her share to the K-1or just ignore K-1 as their business was a spousal partnership and not one that probably was meant for form K-1. I am aware of Form 2555 - the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion and will be claiming it for her as profit was only about 5,000 Canadian. The Foreign Earned Income Exclusion will offset her business income but I am just in a quandry as to what the proper way to report her share of the business income on the 1040. Thanks for any assistance. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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