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| Dan Evans <dan[at]evans-legal.com> wrote: - quote - > The capital gains distributed at the end of the year would
Hmmm... I understand the theory. However, would this make a> include gains realized during the year, including gains > realized before the decedent's death and gains realized > after death on pre-death appreciation, and those realized > and unrealized gains were included in the decedent's estate, > so the capital gains distributed after death would seem to > fall into the definition of IRD, and so generate an income > tax deduction for the estate tax attributable to the > pre-death gains. difference: As I recall, mutual funds are NOT "pass-thru" entities in the strictest sense of the word. They are not REQUIRED to distribute their capital gains. Instead, they can elect to retain them and pay tax at the entity level. (Granted, this is rare. I've only seen it once or twice in 27 years.) Anyway, my point is that I don't think you would have an IRD issue PRIOR to the point in time when the fund DECLARES the CG dividend. But, who knows...it's an interesting question. <g MTW << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Michael T Wing CPA wrote: - quote - > This question came up in another thread, but hasn't received
Cash basis: No.> much attention. Here goes: > When prorating income between a decedent and his estate, do > you allocate ANY portion of an annual mutual fund capital > gain distribution if the decedent died BEFORE such > distribution was declared and/or received? > For example, say that the taxpayer dies in September. His > mutual fund pays an annual capital gain distribution in > December (the typical pattern for most mutual funds). Must > any of that distribution be allocated to the decedent for > income tax purposes? Accrual basis: Only if it is considered as earned ratably over the year. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Michael T Wing CPA" <mtwingcpa[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > When prorating income between a decedent and his estate, do
Others have opined that it's estate income, not the> you allocate ANY portion of an annual mutual fund capital > gain distribution if the decedent died BEFORE such > distribution was declared and/or received? decedent's income, and I agree. However, I think you could make an argument that a portion of the capital gain might be IRD (income in respect of a decedent). IRD is income received *after* death (and so reported on the 1041 of the estate or the 1040 of the beneficiary, and not the decedent's final 1040) which was earned during the decedent's life and so part of the gross estate. The capital gains distributed at the end of the year would include gains realized during the year, including gains realized before the decedent's death and gains realized after death on pre-death appreciation, and those realized and unrealized gains were included in the decedent's estate, so the capital gains distributed after death would seem to fall into the definition of IRD, and so generate an income tax deduction for the estate tax attributable to the pre-death gains. The problem would be how to calculate the pre-death gains. Pro-rating is easy and convenient, but I'm not sure that it has anything to do with economic reality. A comparison of fair market values at the beginning of the year, the date of death, and the end of the year sounds like it might be closer to the mark, but it still seems unrelated to how capital gains are realized by mutual funds. **Dan Evans **I post information, not advice. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Michael T Wing CPA" <mtwingcpa[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > This question came up in another thread, but hasn't received
Since the taxpayer died before the CG distribution was> much attention. Here goes: > When prorating income between a decedent and his estate, do > you allocate ANY portion of an annual mutual fund capital > gain distribution if the decedent died BEFORE such > distribution was declared and/or received? > For example, say that the taxpayer dies in September. His > mutual fund pays an annual capital gain distribution in > December (the typical pattern for most mutual funds). Must > any of that distribution be allocated to the decedent for > income tax purposes? declared, I would opine that this income neither goes on the decedent's final tax return nor is IRD. It is income to the estate and should be included on the 1041. The estate "owned" the fund at the time the CGD was declared. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Michael T Wing CPA" <mtwingcpa[at]yahoo.com> wrote in - quote - > This question came up in another thread, but hasn't received
If the DOD was before the declaration of the capital gain> much attention. Here goes: > When prorating income between a decedent and his estate, do > you allocate ANY portion of an annual mutual fund capital > gain distribution if the decedent died BEFORE such > distribution was declared and/or received? > For example, say that the taxpayer dies in September. His > mutual fund pays an annual capital gain distribution in > December (the typical pattern for most mutual funds). Must > any of that distribution be allocated to the decedent for > income tax purposes? then it is an estate asset (or beneficiary's) and not prorated on the final 1040. If the DOD was after the declaration but before the receipt then it is IRD (income in respect of decedent) It belongs to the estate/beneficiary and is not included on the final 1040. Martha Matthews, EA << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| This question came up in another thread, but hasn't received much attention. Here goes: When prorating income between a decedent and his estate, do you allocate ANY portion of an annual mutual fund capital gain distribution if the decedent died BEFORE such distribution was declared and/or received? For example, say that the taxpayer dies in September. His mutual fund pays an annual capital gain distribution in December (the typical pattern for most mutual funds). Must any of that distribution be allocated to the decedent for income tax purposes? MTW << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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