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Old 02-16-2004, 06:10 PM
Arthur Kamlet
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Phil Marti <philmarti[at]aol.com> wrote:
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> kamlet[at]panix.com (Arthur Kamlet) writes:

> > Putting these together, you can claim the medical expense if
> > > a) you actually paid them, and

> > b) if it was for you, your spouse or your medical dependent.
> > c) (not on page 3) if it is an allowable expense


> See "Child of Divorced or Separated Parents" right under the
> big "TIP" on page 3.


OK -- on my copy it's on page 4, but you are right. Thanks
for the tip, Phil.

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Old 02-15-2004, 03:25 AM
Phil Marti
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kamlet[at]panix.com (Arthur Kamlet) writes:

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> Putting these together, you can claim the medical expense if
> a) you actually paid them, and
> b) if it was for you, your spouse or your medical dependent.
> c) (not on page 3) if it is an allowable expense


See "Child of Divorced or Separated Parents" right under the
big "TIP" on page 3.

Phil Marti
Topeka, KS

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Old 02-13-2004, 04:00 AM
Arthur Kamlet
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> > > can i claim medical expenses for my daughter (I paid them)
> > > although her father (we are divorced) claim her as his
> > > exemption? For both EIC and medical, i can still claim her
> > > as my dependent - right?


> > If the father claims her as a dependency exemption, then he
> > is the only one who could claim her medical costs.


> There's a special rule for this situation that allows both
> parents to claim what they paid. See page 3 of Pub 502.


Phil

Page 3 seems to contain rules on

a) How much can be claimed?

b) Whose medical expenses can be claimed??

The section I think you are citing andwers the issue a) You
can claim what you paid

The issue I am addressing is b) - whose expenses can be
claimed, assuming you did pay them

And the answer is you can claim medical expenses for you or
your spouse or your medical dependent.

Putting these together, you can claim the medical expense if

a) you actually paid them, and
b) if it was for you, your spouse or your medical dependent.
c) (not on page 3) if it is an allowable expense

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Old 02-12-2004, 06:53 AM
Phil Marti
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> > can i claim medical expenses for my daughter (I paid them)
> > although her father (we are divorced) claim her as his
> > exemption? For both EIC and medical, i can still claim her
> > as my dependent - right?


> If the father claims her as a dependency exemption, then he
> is the only one who could claim her medical costs.


There's a special rule for this situation that allows both
parents to claim what they paid. See page 3 of Pub 502.

Phil Marti
Topeka, KS

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Old 02-11-2004, 03:53 PM
Phil Marti
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jsmith9543[at]aol.com
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> can i claim medical expenses for my daughter (I paid them)
> although her father (we are divorced) claim her as his
> exemption?


Yes. See IRS Publication 502.

- quote -

> For both EIC and medical, i can still claim her
> as my dependent - right?


"Dependent" in this context is a work of art. If her father
is claiming her dependency exemption then, no, she's not
your dependent. See above for her medical expenses. As
long as she's unmarried, for EIC it doesn't matter whether
she's your dependent or not. The only things that matter
are her age and whether she lived with you for more than
half the year.

Phil Marti
Topeka, KS

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Old 02-11-2004, 02:17 PM
Arthur Kamlet
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JSmith9543 <jsmith9543[at]aol.com> wrote:

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> can i claim medical expenses for my daughter (I paid them)
> although her father (we are divorced) claim her as his
> exemption? For both EIC and medical, i can still claim her
> as my dependent - right?


If the father claims her as a dependency exemption, then he
is the only one who could claim her medical costs.

You can claim her for EIC if she lived with you most of the year.

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Old 02-10-2004, 08:44 PM
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can i claim medical expenses for my daughter (I paid them)
although her father (we are divorced) claim her as his
exemption? For both EIC and medical, i can still claim her
as my dependent - right?

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Old 02-05-2004, 05:26 AM
Arthur L. Rubin
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Victor Roberts wrote:

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> I just discovered something interesting that may be useful
> to other non-professionals like myself (assuming I am
> correct.)
> The general rule for determining who is your dependent (to
> claim an exemption for example) is described in Publication
> 17 and includes the five tests that have been discussed in
> earlier threads:
> 1) Member of household or relationship test.
> 2) Citizen or Resident test.
> 3) Joint Return test.
> 4) Gross Income test
> 5) Support test.
> However, for Medical Expense deductions Publication 502 uses
> only tests 1, 2 and 5. There is no Gross Income test or
> Joint Return test for medical expense deductions.
> If this is not correct, I assume I will be corrected.


Looks good to me!

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Old 02-05-2004, 04:48 AM
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Victor Roberts wrote:

- quote -

> I just discovered something interesting that may be useful
> to other non-professionals like myself (assuming I am
> correct.)
> The general rule for determining who is your dependent (to
> claim an exemption for example) is described in Publication
> 17 and includes the five tests that have been discussed in
> earlier threads:
> 1) Member of household or relationship test.
> 2) Citizen or Resident test.
> 3) Joint Return test.
> 4) Gross Income test
> 5) Support test.
> However, for Medical Expense deductions Publication 502 uses
> only tests 1, 2 and 5. There is no Gross Income test or
> Joint Return test for medical expense deductions.
> If this is not correct, I assume I will be corrected.


Technically (if you read the IRC), a dependent is defined by
3 tests as you listed them. Who may claim an exemption for
a dependent is defined by 2 tests unless it is a child under
age 19 or under age 24 and a full time student. Then it is
defined by 1 test.

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Old 02-05-2004, 04:09 AM
Phil Marti
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Victor Roberts <Vic[at]Lighting-Research.com> writes:

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> However, for Medical Expense deductions Publication 502 uses
> only tests 1, 2 and 5. There is no Gross Income test or
> Joint Return test for medical expense deductions.
> If this is not correct, I assume I will be corrected.


This is correct. It allows one to deduct medical expenses
paid for a person who would be a dependent absent the joint
return and gross income tests.

Phil Marti
Topeka, KS

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Old 02-04-2004, 04:11 AM
Victor Roberts
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Default "Exemption" Dependent vs. "Medical" Dependent

I just discovered something interesting that may be useful
to other non-professionals like myself (assuming I am
correct.)

The general rule for determining who is your dependent (to
claim an exemption for example) is described in Publication
17 and includes the five tests that have been discussed in
earlier threads:

1) Member of household or relationship test.

2) Citizen or Resident test.

3) Joint Return test.

4) Gross Income test

5) Support test.

However, for Medical Expense deductions Publication 502 uses
only tests 1, 2 and 5. There is no Gross Income test or
Joint Return test for medical expense deductions.

If this is not correct, I assume I will be corrected.

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Vic Roberts

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