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| "D. Stussy" <kd6lvw[at]bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote: - quote - > Drew Edmundson wrote:
Reg. 1.165-7(a)(2)(ii) states:> > Frederick Jorden <fejcpa[at]erols.com> wrote: > > > Hurricane Isabel caused significant losses by cutting a > > > swath of trees throughout Virginia. I have been looking for > > > some simple rules of thumb to estimate the value of trees > > > downed by this storm. Many insurance carriers do not cover > > > the cost in these circumstances and most inland property > > > owners do not have hurricane or flood coverage. Tree > > > removal and stump grinding costs can be quite high, but the > > > number of qualified contractors is quite limited so many > > > folks have not had the work done yet if they can put it off. > > > I have seen some statements that landscaping can account > > > for 5 to 15% of a properties value. Any help would be > > > appreciated. > > A timber consultant will have access to standard values for > > trees based on size, variety, etc. However the values you > > are looking for are the FMV of the entire property before > > Isabel and the FMV of the entire property after Isabel. By > > entire property I mean the land, house, garage, > > outbuildings, landscaping, etc. IOW the appraised value a > > real estate appraiser would give to a mortgage company. > > > I spoke to several appraisers after Hurricanes Fran, Floyd, > > et al and most said the loss of a few trees (varies based on > > the number of trees originally on the land, acreage, etc.) > > usually had very little impact on the overall FMV. > > > The cost of cleanup, when paid, can be used as a measure of > > the loss of FMV *if* nothing else is available. > I would disagree with cleanup costs on the same grounds as > replacement and repair costs do not come into play. (ii) The cost of repairs to the property damaged is acceptable as evidence of the loss of value if the taxpayer shows that (a) the repairs are necessary to restore the property to its condition immediately before the casualty, (b) the amount spent for such repairs is not excessive, (c) the repairs do not care for more than the damage suffered, and (d) the value of the property after the repairs does not as a result of the repairs exceed the value of the property immediately before the casualty. --- end quoted text So the answer I provided comes straight from the Regulations. Drew Edmundson, CPA (NC) << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| D. Stussy wrote: - quote - > Drew Edmundson wrote:
Incremental cleanup cost is part of the deductible loss. I> > Frederick Jorden <fejcpa[at]erols.com> wrote: > > > Hurricane Isabel caused significant losses by cutting a > > > swath of trees throughout Virginia. I have been looking for > > > some simple rules of thumb to estimate the value of trees > > > downed by this storm. Many insurance carriers do not cover > > > the cost in these circumstances and most inland property > > > owners do not have hurricane or flood coverage. Tree > > > removal and stump grinding costs can be quite high, but the > > > number of qualified contractors is quite limited so many > > > folks have not had the work done yet if they can put it off. > > > I have seen some statements that landscaping can account > > > for 5 to 15% of a properties value. Any help would be > > > appreciated. > > A timber consultant will have access to standard values for > > trees based on size, variety, etc. However the values you > > are looking for are the FMV of the entire property before > > Isabel and the FMV of the entire property after Isabel. By > > entire property I mean the land, house, garage, > > outbuildings, landscaping, etc. IOW the appraised value a > > real estate appraiser would give to a mortgage company. > > > I spoke to several appraisers after Hurricanes Fran, Floyd, > > et al and most said the loss of a few trees (varies based on > > the number of trees originally on the land, acreage, etc.) > > usually had very little impact on the overall FMV. > > > The cost of cleanup, when paid, can be used as a measure of > > the loss of FMV *if* nothing else is available. > I would disagree with cleanup costs on the same grounds as > replacement and repair costs do not come into play. have a next door neighbor who has not cleaned up an upended poplar tree ball. His not cleaning up the mess not only reduces the value of his property it reduces the value of mine. -- Frederick E. Jorden http://Tax-Accounting-Payroll.com 7825 Midlothian Tpk - 207 Richmond, VA 23235-5247 EMAIL knowtax[at]bigfoot.com (804) 320-6210 FAX (804) 320-6211 << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Drew Edmundson wrote: - quote - > Frederick Jorden <fejcpa[at]erols.com> wrote:
I would disagree with cleanup costs on the same grounds as> > Hurricane Isabel caused significant losses by cutting a > > swath of trees throughout Virginia. I have been looking for > > some simple rules of thumb to estimate the value of trees > > downed by this storm. Many insurance carriers do not cover > > the cost in these circumstances and most inland property > > owners do not have hurricane or flood coverage. Tree > > removal and stump grinding costs can be quite high, but the > > number of qualified contractors is quite limited so many > > folks have not had the work done yet if they can put it off. > > I have seen some statements that landscaping can account > > for 5 to 15% of a properties value. Any help would be > > appreciated. > A timber consultant will have access to standard values for > trees based on size, variety, etc. However the values you > are looking for are the FMV of the entire property before > Isabel and the FMV of the entire property after Isabel. By > entire property I mean the land, house, garage, > outbuildings, landscaping, etc. IOW the appraised value a > real estate appraiser would give to a mortgage company. > I spoke to several appraisers after Hurricanes Fran, Floyd, > et al and most said the loss of a few trees (varies based on > the number of trees originally on the land, acreage, etc.) > usually had very little impact on the overall FMV. > The cost of cleanup, when paid, can be used as a measure of > the loss of FMV *if* nothing else is available. replacement and repair costs do not come into play. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Frederick Jorden <fejcpa[at]erols.com> wrote: - quote - > Hurricane Isabel caused significant losses by cutting a
A timber consultant will have access to standard values for> swath of trees throughout Virginia. I have been looking for > some simple rules of thumb to estimate the value of trees > downed by this storm. Many insurance carriers do not cover > the cost in these circumstances and most inland property > owners do not have hurricane or flood coverage. Tree > removal and stump grinding costs can be quite high, but the > number of qualified contractors is quite limited so many > folks have not had the work done yet if they can put it off. > I have seen some statements that landscaping can account > for 5 to 15% of a properties value. Any help would be > appreciated. trees based on size, variety, etc. However the values you are looking for are the FMV of the entire property before Isabel and the FMV of the entire property after Isabel. By entire property I mean the land, house, garage, outbuildings, landscaping, etc. IOW the appraised value a real estate appraiser would give to a mortgage company. I spoke to several appraisers after Hurricanes Fran, Floyd, et al and most said the loss of a few trees (varies based on the number of trees originally on the land, acreage, etc.) usually had very little impact on the overall FMV. The cost of cleanup, when paid, can be used as a measure of the loss of FMV *if* nothing else is available. Drew Edmundson, CPA (NC) << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Hurricane Isabel caused significant losses by cutting a swath of trees throughout Virginia. I have been looking for some simple rules of thumb to estimate the value of trees downed by this storm. Many insurance carriers do not cover the cost in these circumstances and most inland property owners do not have hurricane or flood coverage. Tree removal and stump grinding costs can be quite high, but the number of qualified contractors is quite limited so many folks have not had the work done yet if they can put it off. I have seen some statements that landscaping can account for 5 to 15% of a properties value. Any help would be appreciated. -- Frederick E. Jorden http://Tax-Accounting-Payroll.com 7825 Midlothian Tpk - 207 Richmond, VA 23235-5247 EMAIL knowtax[at]bigfoot.com (804) 320-6210 FAX (804) 320-6211 << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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