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Old 02-03-2004, 06:20 AM
D. Stussy
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Herb Smith wrote:
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> Harlan Lunsford <lunstax[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > Redneck wrote:


> > > A new client owns her school bus, the school board pays her
> > > a fixed amount per milefor expenses, the monies are added in
> > > the w-2 but not separated. Where are the expenses deducted
> > > on the 1040. She is an employee of the school board.


> > Sadly, on schedule A with a form 2106.


> Frankly, I don't see a deduction here, especially not an
> "unreimbursed" employee expense. Didn't the OP state that
> she was "reimbursed" on a per mile basis, already? This
> sounds like an effort to get paid paid twice for the same
> expenses.


No. The OP said that the reimbursement was included in
wages on the W-2. Therefore, the form 2106 approach is
correct. I certainly hope that the W-2 has a difference
between income tax wages and FICA wages for this....

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Old 02-01-2004, 11:25 PM
Harlan Lunsford
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> > > > A new client owns her school bus, the school board pays her
> > > > a fixed amount per milefor expenses, the monies are added in
> > > > the w-2 but not separated. Where are the expenses deducted
> > > > on the 1040. She is an employee of the school board.


> > > Sadly, on schedule A with a form 2106.


> > Frankly, I don't see a deduction here, especially not an
> > "unreimbursed" employee expense. Didn't the OP state that
> > she was "reimbursed" on a per mile basis, already? This
> > sounds like an effort to get paid paid twice for the same
> > expenses.


> She can't take the "standard mileage allowance" on a school
> bus, can she?


Correct.

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> I'd make it employee business expense, with a
> non-accountable "reimbursement" plan.


So would I. And the bus would be subject to depreciation,
and therefore the bonus 50% and regular depreciation. This
would probably be preferable to section 179 since it evens
out deductions over several years. hard to imagine a
school bus driver needing a large slice of 179 in one year.
Unless maybe her husband makes 100,000$ per year.

Cheer$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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Old 01-30-2004, 08:57 PM
Arthur L. Rubin
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Herb Smith wrote:
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> Harlan Lunsford <lunstax[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > Redneck wrote:


> > > A new client owns her school bus, the school board pays her
> > > a fixed amount per milefor expenses, the monies are added in
> > > the w-2 but not separated. Where are the expenses deducted
> > > on the 1040. She is an employee of the school board.


> > Sadly, on schedule A with a form 2106.


> Frankly, I don't see a deduction here, especially not an
> "unreimbursed" employee expense. Didn't the OP state that
> she was "reimbursed" on a per mile basis, already? This
> sounds like an effort to get paid paid twice for the same
> expenses.


She can't take the "standard mileage allowance" on a school
bus, can she? I'd make it employee business expense, with a
non-accountable "reimbursement" plan.

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Old 01-30-2004, 08:38 PM
Harlan Lunsford
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Herb Smith wrote:
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> Harlan Lunsford <lunstax[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > Redneck wrote:


> > > A new client owns her school bus, the school board pays her
> > > a fixed amount per milefor expenses, the monies are added in
> > > the w-2 but not separated. Where are the expenses deducted
> > > on the 1040. She is an employee of the school board.


> > Sadly, on schedule A with a form 2106.


> Frankly, I don't see a deduction here, especially not an
> "unreimbursed" employee expense. Didn't the OP state that
> she was "reimbursed" on a per mile basis, already? This
> sounds like an effort to get paid paid twice for the same
> expenses.


When the amount is included in W-2, any employee expenses
are deductible. Remember, this is not a car. I imagine,
or would hope, that the reimbursement might be something
like 45 cents a mile or so. Can you imagine what it takes to
run a schoolbus? actually I can't.

If the reimbursement WERE just for a pov, and exactly 36
cents a miles, and not included in the W-2, then it would be
from an accountable plan.

Cheer$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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Old 01-28-2004, 09:55 PM
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Harlan Lunsford <lunstax[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:
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> Redneck wrote:

> > A new client owns her school bus, the school board pays her
> > a fixed amount per milefor expenses, the monies are added in
> > the w-2 but not separated. Where are the expenses deducted
> > on the 1040. She is an employee of the school board.


> Sadly, on schedule A with a form 2106.


Frankly, I don't see a deduction here, especially not an
"unreimbursed" employee expense. Didn't the OP state that
she was "reimbursed" on a per mile basis, already? This
sounds like an effort to get paid paid twice for the same
expenses.

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Old 01-27-2004, 10:52 PM
William P Brown
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Redneck wrote:

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> A new client owns her school bus, the school board pays her
> a fixed amount per milefor expenses, the monies are added in
> the w-2 but not separated. Where are the expenses deducted
> on the 1040. She is an employee of the school board.


Form 2106, then Schedule A as a miscellaneous itemized
deduction.

The school board should treat its bus drivers better than
you describe. An accountable reimbursement plan is in order.

Regards,
Bill
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College of Business & Economics
Longwood University
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Old 01-27-2004, 09:38 AM
Harlan Lunsford
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Redneck wrote:

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> A new client owns her school bus, the school board pays her
> a fixed amount per milefor expenses, the monies are added in
> the w-2 but not separated. Where are the expenses deducted
> on the 1040. She is an employee of the school board.


Sadly, on schedule A with a form 2106.

I would advise client to re negogiate her contract however
IF POSSIBLE to be a subcontractor. Of course the school
board probably won't go for that idea, I know. Something
about liability.

Reminds me, what ABOUT liability and insurance?

Cheer$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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Old 01-25-2004, 08:54 PM
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A new client owns her school bus, the school board pays her
a fixed amount per milefor expenses, the monies are added in
the w-2 but not separated. Where are the expenses deducted
on the 1040. She is an employee of the school board.

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