"A.G. Kalman" <agk202[at]netscape.net> wrote:
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I have no recollection of the change in military pensions
just civilain.

Mike

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"William Brenner" <wjbjr[at]webtv.net> wrote:

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Bummer. . . They used to get tax free service connected
pensions, ie, fed and state and collect ss and va pension

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"Phil Marti" <philmarti[at]aol.com> wrote:
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Yes, both occured at the same time. Reagan promoted bothh
changes. I'll check out narfe.org.

Mike

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Thanks, I'll check it out.

Mike

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If I remember correctly, the current administration decreed
very recently that retired military personel with service
connected disabilities could no longer collect full pensions
for both.

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The changeover occured in 82 and 83. Check out the Social
Security website and look at the publications on the
Windfall Elimination Provision:

http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10045.html

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Mike wrote:

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In 1983 the Social Security Act was changed (PL 98-21). The
act changed the formula for the Government Pension Offset
that had been around since 1977. The Windfall Elimination
Provision was enacted. You can read about both provisions on
the SSA website.

Government Double Dipping: Sometime in 1984 the 98th
Congress changed some of the rules regarding the miltary.
One change was that a government employee could not receive
credit for any military service if they were receiving
military retired pay unless it was a service-connected
disability incurred in combat incurred in the line of duty
during a period of war. Prior to this change they could
"double dip." I can't recall which Act made the change,
only that it was the 98th Congress.

--
Alan
http://taxtopics.net

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"Jim Foyle" <jfoyle[at]dhc.net> writes:

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There are two provisions in the SS law, the "offset" and the
"windfall," which deal with people receiving benefits from
both public employee pensions (earned during non-SS
employment) and Social Security. You can read about them at
www.ssa.gov.

I don't remember when these changes were made. Definitely
after Nixon and before Clinton, so it would have been a
Democratic House regardless of who was in the White House.
After a BRIEF look at the history of 42 USC section 402, it
looks like the offset provision went into effect in November
1984. As I recall, both were dealt with at the same time.

You might also find some legislative history at
www.narfe.org, which is trying to get the law changed.

Phil Marti
Topeka, KS

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"Mike" <wxyz09[at]yahoo.net> wrote:

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I remember "double dipping" as a Carter Administation
concern, not a Reagan concern.

IIRC, there was no legislation limiting double dipping for
the general public.

There may have been an executive order limiting double
dipping for Federal employees. But I don't recall.

I'm not sure how one searches Executive Orders.

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Be careful about opposing some forms of double-dipping.
People like Daniel Inouye and Bob Dole have to make two
trips because they gave one of their arms while standing
in harms way for us.
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During the Reagan administration pension laws were changed
in such a way that triple and double dipping pensions were
somewhat limited. My recollection is the Reagan
administration used examples such as a retired Army General
going to work for the Defense Dept then retiring from DOD
receiving an pension from the Army and a pension from the
Federal Civil Service Retirement System, now the FERS
system, then at age 62 getting social security payments.

Last night I spent hour doing Google searches trying to find
references to the change in pension laws stated above and
trying to find out if the change in law was a Reagan program
or a democrat program. I believe it was sponsored by
Reagan,

My intent is to find out when the change in pension occurred
and who initiated the change.

Also, the pension COLA was no longer tied the the Federal
employee COLA.

Thanks,

Mike

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